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Karl E. Peterso
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 Eternal September Rocks! Wow, not only has www.eternal-september.org apparently said it will not honor the rogue rmgroup requests for the microsoft.public.* hierarchy, it appears they have now added (nearly?) all the groups that they didn't already have to those they carry! If you have an E-S account, and are using a newsreader that doesn't
automatically notify you of new groups, it's time to renew your lists.
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| Mon, 19 Nov 2012 07:32:56 GMT |
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C. Kevin Provanc
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Eternal September Rocks! Time for me to make the switch.
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: Wow, not only has www.eternal-september.org apparently said it will not
: honor the rogue rmgroup requests for the microsoft.public.* hierarchy,
: it appears they have now added (nearly?) all the groups that they
: didn't already have to those they carry!
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: If you have an E-S account, and are using a newsreader that doesn't
: automatically notify you of new groups, it's time to renew your lists.
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| Mon, 19 Nov 2012 07:46:04 GMT |
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Nobod
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Eternal September Rocks!
Quote: > Wow, not only has www.eternal-september.org apparently said it will not
> honor the rogue rmgroup requests for the microsoft.public.* hierarchy, it
> appears they have now added (nearly?) all the groups that they didn't
> already have to those they carry!
If Google honors "rmgroup" command, then unfortunately new microsoft.public.* posts will not be archived or searchable in Google.
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| Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:28:18 GMT |
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Jeff Johnso
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Eternal September Rocks!
I have switched. I'm going to leave the MSNews server account configured so
I can watch the groups I'm subscribed to fade away. 4 disappeared this
morning.
Bastards. And I mean both Microsoft AND the idiot unwashed masses who think
Web forums/Facebook/Twitter are better than NNTP.
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| Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:41:33 GMT |
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DanS
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Eternal September Rocks!
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> I have switched. I'm going to leave the MSNews server
> account configured so I can watch the groups I'm subscribed
> to fade away. 4 disappeared this morning.
> Bastards. And I mean both Microsoft AND the idiot unwashed
> masses who think Web forums/Facebook/Twitter are better
> than NNTP.
The big beef I have with web 'forums' is usually there is no threading messages.....it just looks like one long page of post after post with no hierarchy shown.
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| Mon, 19 Nov 2012 22:09:43 GMT |
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Karl E. Peterso
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Eternal September Rocks! Quote:
>> Wow, not only has www.eternal-september.org apparently said it will not >> honor the rogue rmgroup requests for the microsoft.public.* hierarchy, it >> appears they have now added (nearly?) all the groups that they didn't >> already have to those they carry! > If Google honors "rmgroup" command, then unfortunately new microsoft.public.*
> posts will not be archived or searchable in Google.
Google seems to honor no request. ;-) --
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| Tue, 20 Nov 2012 00:56:00 GMT |
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Karl E. Peterso
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Eternal September Rocks! Quote:
>> Bastards. And I mean both Microsoft AND the idiot unwashed >> masses who think Web forums/Facebook/Twitter are better >> than NNTP. > The big beef I have with web 'forums' is usually there is no
> threading messages.....it just looks like one long page of post
> after post with no hierarchy shown.
Yeah, I was over there surveying the territory the last couple days. It's a freakin' mess!!! You can't track responses to your posts, new messages in threads, who responds to who, nothing! And I can read a dozen or more messages in this group in the time it takes me to switch from one to another in that gawdawful mess. Microsoft has truly built it's own special Hell to rot in, this time!
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| Tue, 20 Nov 2012 00:58:14 GMT |
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Karl E. Peterso
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Eternal September Rocks! Quote:
> Bastards. And I mean both Microsoft AND the idiot unwashed masses who think
> Web forums/Facebook/Twitter are better than NNTP.
Amen! --
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| Tue, 20 Nov 2012 00:56:35 GMT |
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Peter
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Eternal September Rocks!
Quote: > Yeah, I was over there surveying the territory the last couple days. It's
> a freakin' mess!!! You can't track responses to your posts, new messages
> in threads, who responds to who, nothing! And I can read a dozen or more
> messages in this group in the time it takes me to switch from one to
> another in that gawdawful mess.
FWIW there are a couple of Bridge alternatives which allow the familiar newsreader UI for the new web forums. The MS version, or rather versions as you need one for Answers and another for MSDN & TechNet, is here http://connect.microsoft.com/MicrosoftForums
But forget about that, Jochan Kalmback announced his version just a week ago
and hit the ground running. Just the single app with loads of features,
typically a new one every day.
http://communitybridge.codeplex.com/
(see the Documentation page)
Regards,
Peter T
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| Tue, 20 Nov 2012 03:14:30 GMT |
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kpg
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Eternal September Rocks!
september.org:
Quote: > Wow, not only has www.eternal-september.org apparently said it will not > honor the rogue rmgroup requests for the microsoft.public.* hierarchy, > it appears they have now added (nearly?) all the groups that they > didn't already have to those they carry! > If you have an E-S account, and are using a newsreader that doesn't
> automatically notify you of new groups, it's time to renew your lists.
I'm coming in to this late...what is the advantage of using es vs ms? Is ms dropping the classic vb groups? Nobody tells me anything.
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| Tue, 20 Nov 2012 03:21:22 GMT |
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Jeff Johnso
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Eternal September Rocks!
Quote: >> Wow, not only has www.eternal-september.org apparently said it will not >> honor the rogue rmgroup requests for the microsoft.public.* hierarchy, >> it appears they have now added (nearly?) all the groups that they >> didn't already have to those they carry! >> If you have an E-S account, and are using a newsreader that doesn't
>> automatically notify you of new groups, it's time to renew your lists.
> I'm coming in to this late...what is the advantage of using es vs ms?
> Is ms dropping the classic vb groups? Nobody tells me anything.
Search for older threads with "Microsoft responds" in the subject line.
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| Tue, 20 Nov 2012 04:17:01 GMT |
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Karl E. Peterso
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Eternal September Rocks! Jeff Johnson submitted this idea : Quote:
>>> Wow, not only has www.eternal-september.org apparently said it will not
>>> honor the rogue rmgroup requests for the microsoft.public.* hierarchy,
>>> it appears they have now added (nearly?) all the groups that they
>>> didn't already have to those they carry!
>>> If you have an E-S account, and are using a newsreader that doesn't
>>> automatically notify you of new groups, it's time to renew your lists.
>> I'm coming in to this late...what is the advantage of using es vs ms?
>> Is ms dropping the classic vb groups? Nobody tells me anything.
> Search for older threads with "Microsoft responds" in the subject line.
Or alternatively... Microsoft Responds to the Evolution of Communities
http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/default.mspx
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| Tue, 20 Nov 2012 04:47:11 GMT |
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Karl E. Peterso
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Eternal September Rocks! Peter T wrote on 6/3/2010 : Quote:
>> Yeah, I was over there surveying the territory the last couple days. It's
>> a freakin' mess!!! You can't track responses to your posts, new messages
>> in threads, who responds to who, nothing! And I can read a dozen or more
>> messages in this group in the time it takes me to switch from one to
>> another in that gawdawful mess.
> FWIW there are a couple of Bridge alternatives which allow the familiar
> newsreader UI for the new web forums. The MS version, or rather versions as
> you need one for Answers and another for MSDN & TechNet, is here
> http://connect.microsoft.com/MicrosoftForums
> But forget about that, Jochan Kalmback announced his version just a week ago
> and hit the ground running. Just the single app with loads of features,
> typically a new one every day.
> http://communitybridge.codeplex.com/
> (see the Documentation page)
Yeah, was aware of those, but the first is doomed and the latter is shooting at a moving target. Neither is a long-term viable solution. --
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Customer Hatred Knows No Bounds at MSFT
ClassicVB Users Regroup! comp.lang.basic.visual.misc
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| Tue, 20 Nov 2012 04:47:56 GMT |
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Wolfgang Enzinge
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Eternal September Rocks! Quote:
>Is ms dropping the classic vb groups?
Not only. They'll drop their NNTP services entirely, little by little. Quote: >Nobody tells me anything.
Don't feel bad, I will. ;-) See, they just don't like non-centric systems anymore (that's not exactly
breaking news, is it?), like NNTP or self-sufficient PC systems. So they tell
us they have something new instead which is far better. Well ... go and check
yourself what they have to offer. The good news is: if you don't like it, you
can just stick with what you have. You just have to eventually change some of
your newsreader settings and connect to an alternate server as is described at
http://www.eternal-september.org/ for instance.
MSFT cannot control the NNTP system entirely, so that's something we should
preserve and keep alive, IMO. :-)
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| Tue, 20 Nov 2012 05:46:39 GMT |
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Karl E. Peterso
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Eternal September Rocks! Quote:
> us they have something new instead which is far better. Well ... go and check
> yourself what they have to offer. The good news is: if you don't like it, you
> can just stick with what you have.
Boy, I've been over there, looked, and am still shaking! <chuckle> It's just *nutz* I tell ya. Examples: http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vbgeneral/thread/8905df...
http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vbgeneral/thread/ba2234...
http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vbgeneral/thread/46557a...
I gotta say, it sort of refreshing to watch them react in horror when
someone answers a ClassicVB question. <eg>
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