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~/\\/\\A~SYaNID #1 / 12	JAVA or .NET Learn java now and you'll pick up C# no problem... c# just a java ripoff with a better event model... Quote: > I am considering training in programming. I am looking at long term > prospects. Which programming language should I learn- Java or VB (leading to > C# and .NET)? > I realise that this news group is visited mostly by VB/M$ enthusiasts. But > I am hoping to get an impartial and well rounded opinion/s. > Thanks in advance. > Pan
Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:07:14 GMT

Alexandre Broussea #2 / 12	JAVA or .NET Quote: > Learn java now and you'll pick up c# no problem... > c# just a java ripoff with a better event model... Java is the DEVIL... Stay away from it unless your life is threatened... Ps: I am serious... Alex.
Mon, 19 Jan 2004 21:36:11 GMT

Dag Sund #3 / 12	JAVA or .NET I can't just sit still and let that {filter}go unnoticed: Learn Java first, and you have a solid understanding of programming in general, and OO in particular. Java will also take you there on almost any platform. Just as good as Java, is Python. After that, VB, BV.net, C# etc. will be a snap, should you need it. Dag. PS! I am not a Java-fanatic, but have a background from Delphi, VB & C. 80% of my daily work is done in VB. PPS! Alexandre... YOur statement doesn't sound very serious. Quote: > > Learn java now and you'll pick up c# no problem... > > c# just a java ripoff with a better event model... > Java is the DEVIL... Stay away from it unless your life is threatened... > Ps: I am serious... > Alex.
Tue, 20 Jan 2004 03:06:56 GMT

§￥a?\|D #4 / 12	JAVA or .NET nooo... Java is well cool... and there's tons of cash in it... I develop in java , VB, C , Visual C++... and java is where I make most money... Quote: > > Learn java now and you'll pick up c# no problem... > > c# just a java ripoff with a better event model... > Java is the DEVIL... Stay away from it unless your life is threatened... > Ps: I am serious... > Alex.
Tue, 20 Jan 2004 02:53:56 GMT

Alexandre Broussea #5 / 12	JAVA or .NET Quote: > nooo... Java is well cool... and there's tons of cash in it... > I develop in java , VB, C , Visual C++... and java is where > I make most money... Is it cool cause you like the language or it's cool cause it brings you back alot of money? You make alot of cash doing Java cause there isn't much offer. There isn't much offer because Java is, in my opinion (and that of pretty much everybody I know), an ill designed language and most of all platform. BTW I've done Java for 1.5 years and I've got a 7 years background in C/C++, 3 years in VB, as well as many other languages. It was fun the first couple weeks but when I finally understood the whole concept and realized how bad they implemented it, it really modified my view of it. Have you done interface in Java? Moreover, have you done Swing? Finally, have you actually developped code that had to be compatible with multiple platforms? Last question, what crappy IDE did you use (cause they are all crappy)? Without going into details, lets just say the answers to these questions are enough for me to not want to touch Java again with a 10' pole... I have strong Java experience, and I don't mention it in my resume cause I don't want to get hired for a Java project. Alex.
Tue, 20 Jan 2004 03:57:58 GMT

Alexandre Broussea #6 / 12	JAVA or .NET Quote: > Learn Java first, and you have a solid understanding > of programming in general, and OO in particular. ... after sweating your heart out making crappy programs, indeed. I do agree that it really throws you in the OO world and doesn't give you much of a chance to not learn it. BUT, in my opinion too much OO is just like not enough OO. I really think Java is overkill in the OO department. I know it's the concept, but still... Quote: > Java will also take you there on almost any platform. Compile anywhere, debug everywhere... That's one other thing I dislike about Java.. There are like 200 different VMs available out there and most won't be able to run a big program without messing it up. Last but not least, if a project is fairly large, it will turn your brand new Intel P4 1800 ghz or AMD 1.?? (whatever) into a slow machine... One of the projects I did was a project that could have been done in VB in half the time and it would have been MUCH more performant (at least 2-3x, I am 100% sure of that.) Quote: > Just as good as Java, is Python. Can't comment as I have never used it, but I heard good about it. Quote: > After that, VB, BV.net, C# etc. will be a snap, should you > need it. Indeed, but in my opinion you don't have to learn Java for those languages to be a snap. Learn a little C/C++ to get a little closer to the machine and OS, understand the enrironement you work in and how to control it, and you'll not only have much more fun, but you won't be loosing time on a language that will be dead 5 years from now... Quote: > PS! > I am not a Java-fanatic, but have a background from > Delphi, VB & C. 80% of my daily work is done in VB. Just so you know, I love VB for projects that are suitable to it. Quote: > PPS! > Alexandre... YOur statement doesn't sound very serious. I hope the two posts I just sent will clarify the statement. I was serious, it really is the worse programming language (mostly because of it's implementation)... I wonder what the guys at Sun and IBM are thinking... Although I don't like the .NET idea of Microsoft, it's so obvious it's going to eat Java for breakfast. Alex.
Tue, 20 Jan 2004 04:08:24 GMT

Jim Deutc #7 / 12	JAVA or .NET Saying Java sucks because Swing is {filter}(which it is) and because the current crop of IDE's (for Windows, anyway) are still not very pretty, misses most of the point. Java does really lousy user-interface in Windoze for completely political reasons (at root). And IDE's take time to mature. Remember VB1? I've got (I swear!) a project with a VB GUI and Java object model underneath and it's the best of both damn worlds. Sort of. <g> Jim Deutch MS Dev MVP Quote: > > nooo... Java is well cool... and there's tons of cash in it... > > I develop in java , VB, C , Visual C++... and java is where > > I make most money... > Is it cool cause you like the language or it's cool cause it brings you back > alot of money? > You make alot of cash doing Java cause there isn't much offer. There isn't > much offer because Java is, in my opinion (and that of pretty much everybody > I know), an ill designed language and most of all platform. > BTW I've done Java for 1.5 years and I've got a 7 years background in C/C++, > 3 years in VB, as well as many other languages. It was fun the first couple > weeks but when I finally understood the whole concept and realized how bad > they implemented it, it really modified my view of it. > Have you done interface in Java? > Moreover, have you done Swing? > Finally, have you actually developped code that had to be compatible with > multiple platforms? > Last question, what crappy IDE did you use (cause they are all crappy)? > Without going into details, lets just say the answers to these questions are > enough for me to not want to touch Java again with a 10' pole... I have > strong Java experience, and I don't mention it in my resume cause I don't > want to get hired for a Java project. > Alex.
Tue, 20 Jan 2004 04:50:02 GMT

Alexandre Broussea #8 / 12	JAVA or .NET Quote: > Saying Java sucks because Swing is {filter}(which it is) and because the > current crop of IDE's (for Windows, anyway) are still not very pretty, > misses most of the point. Java does really lousy user-interface in Windoze > for completely political reasons (at root). And IDE's take time to mature. > Remember VB1? What about the speed which it is ridiculously lacking? What about the major differences between different VMs on different OSes? About about the damn windows not receiving a click if you move the mouse at the same time? There are some flaws that are acceptable, but Java really is the king of unnacceptable flaws... Quote: > I've got (I swear!) a project with a VB GUI and Java object model underneath > and it's the best of both damn worlds. Sort of. <g> VB is indeed seriously lacking in the OO department. I guess if the speed isn't an issue, this mix wouldn't be too bad. There's still the fact you need a VM on the user's machine, and the VM is not only slow to 'boot' but also takes ALOT of ram... An OS in an OS doesn't sound right to me... The crossplatform idea is great, but again, the implementation sucks. Alex.
Tue, 20 Jan 2004 05:01:46 GMT

Hercules Gunte #9 / 12	JAVA or .NET Quote: > Learn java now and you'll pick up c# no problem... > c# just a java ripoff with a better event model... It is not a Java rip-off. Java is essentially a simplified and intentionally-restricted implementation of C++, and C# is a very slightly restricted version of C++, which fits into the .NET framework with the same underlying execution model as VB.NET. It's convergent evolution, perhaps, but not a rip-off. Quote: > > I am considering training in programming. I am looking at long term > > prospects. Which programming language should I learn- Java or VB (leading > to > > C# and .NET)? > > I realise that this news group is visited mostly by VB/M$ enthusiasts. > But > > I am hoping to get an impartial and well rounded opinion/s. > > Thanks in advance. > > Pan
Tue, 20 Jan 2004 07:24:13 GMT

§￥a?\|D #10 / 12	JAVA or .NET wow... You are angry.!!! java's cool for both reasons.... I thinks it a cool language and I think it cool cos I make a lot of cash from it..... Quote: > Have you done interface in Java? yep.... 2 years of CORBA based programming Quote: > Moreover, have you done Swing? yep.... How many lines of code does it take to produce a a button in a frame in Visual C++.... compared to Java... A hell of a lot more in visual C++.... Not as many in VB but then You gotta bulk up with the dependancy files VB requires.... If a swing objects does not provide the functionaity I require I write a bean component instead... Quote: > Finally, have you actually developped code that had to be compatible with > multiple platforms? yep.. just finished a project to run on both Unix and winNt2k... and it works a treat. The only thing your have make sure of is to stick to SUN's object model and VM.. the applications is also generic enough to work with both Sql server and oracle... Quote: > Last question, what crappy IDE did you use (cause they are all crappy)? I generally use Visual cafe enterprise edition... The debugging is'nt the best but it's good enough.... You say you got 1.5 years of java experience.. In what.. I got 5 years of heavy duty java involved with everything from applets, servlets, client / server apps to web based queueing apps that use the DOM framework.... Steve (Bsc) Quote: > > nooo... Java is well cool... and there's tons of cash in it... > > I develop in java , VB, C , Visual C++... and java is where > > I make most money... > Is it cool cause you like the language or it's cool cause it brings you back > alot of money? > You make alot of cash doing Java cause there isn't much offer. There isn't > much offer because Java is, in my opinion (and that of pretty much everybody > I know), an ill designed language and most of all platform. > BTW I've done Java for 1.5 years and I've got a 7 years background in C/C++, > 3 years in VB, as well as many other languages. It was fun the first couple > weeks but when I finally understood the whole concept and realized how bad > they implemented it, it really modified my view of it. > Have you done interface in Java? > Moreover, have you done Swing? > Finally, have you actually developped code that had to be compatible with > multiple platforms? > Last question, what crappy IDE did you use (cause they are all crappy)? > Without going into details, lets just say the answers to these questions are > enough for me to not want to touch Java again with a 10' pole... I have > strong Java experience, and I don't mention it in my resume cause I don't > want to get hired for a Java project. > Alex.
Wed, 21 Jan 2004 02:09:56 GMT

Hercules Gunte #11 / 12	JAVA or .NET Quote: > After that, VB, BV.net, C# etc. will be a snap, should you > need it. It's worth bearing in mind that .NET is OK as an intranet solution or server-side only, but the interface options will not apply to all browsers soon, if ever, and Java is at least widely (supposedly everywhere) supported. The target platform must be borne in mind.
Tue, 20 Jan 2004 07:28:37 GMT

Ray Merce #12 / 12	JAVA or .NET Quote: > An OS in an OS doesn't sound right to me... The crossplatform idea is great, > but again, the implementation sucks. But that is exactly what all the .NET languages are (including VB.NET). I tend to agree with you, but there is no escaping the fact that VB is headed the exact same place Java has already been for years... FWIW, Ray
Fri, 23 Jan 2004 23:19:53 GMT

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