which is better merant or fujistu?
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StanleyDo #1 / 19
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 which is better merant or fujistu?
Hi Group, Which is better? netexpress or fujistu cobol? thanks, Stan
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Thu, 11 Mar 2004 13:30:15 GMT |
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Peter E. C. Dashwoo #2 / 19
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 which is better merant or fujistu?
Silly question. You didn't say what your criteria are... What are you looking for? Might as well ask: "Which is better...Nike or Reebok?" Or "Rolls Royce or Mercedes?" The answer is the same. They are BOTH quality products. If you are looking for sportshoes you will have certain criteria in mind. If you are looking for a luxury vehicle you will have certain criteria in mind. If you haven't, then toss a coin <G>. If you don't know how to formulate criteria and evaluate products for yourself, then you deserve whatever you get... And if you buy products based on other people's opinions, or the power of advertising, then you also deserve whatever you get. Pete.
Quote: > Hi Group, > Which is better? netexpress or fujistu cobol? > thanks, > Stan
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Thu, 11 Mar 2004 19:07:07 GMT |
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StanleyDo #3 / 19
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 which is better merant or fujistu?
Ha, tough room. Okay, what criteria would you recommend I use to evaluate?
Quote: > Silly question. > You didn't say what your criteria are... > What are you looking for? > Might as well ask: "Which is better...Nike or Reebok?" > Or "Rolls Royce or Mercedes?" > The answer is the same. They are BOTH quality products. > If you are looking for sportshoes you will have certain criteria in mind. If > you are looking for a luxury vehicle you will have certain criteria in mind. > If you haven't, then toss a coin <G>. > If you don't know how to formulate criteria and evaluate products for > yourself, then you deserve whatever you get... > And if you buy products based on other people's opinions, or the power of > advertising, then you also deserve whatever you get. > Pete.
> > Hi Group, > > Which is better? netexpress or fujistu cobol? > > thanks, > > Stan > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > Check out our new Unlimited Server. No Download or Time Limits! > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! ==-----
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Thu, 11 Mar 2004 22:42:33 GMT |
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Carlos Lage #4 / 19
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 which is better merant or fujistu?
StanleyDog PowerCobol from Fujtisu is better, DialogSystem from Merant is very hard to use and in Fujitsu is full Cobol, has a better interface and Project, but of course need to Improve My Opinion. By the way I Know both Carlos Lages Quote: > Hi Group, > Which is better? netexpress or fujistu cobol? > thanks, > Stan
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Thu, 11 Mar 2004 23:28:07 GMT |
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Jerry #5 / 19
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 which is better merant or fujistu?
Quote: > Ha, tough room. > Okay, what criteria would you recommend I use to evaluate?
Well, you can't use the compiler itself as a criterium inasmuch as both are ANSI-85 compliant. So, then, 1. Price, 2. Runtime charges (if any, which is kind of a price), 3. Debugging capability (which affects time-to-deliver, which is kind of a price) 4. Ease of use (which affects man-hours, which affects price). 5. Likelihood of being around in five years. I mean, look at the price first; it might be definitive. The big gripe agains Merant seems to be their runtime charges; the main flame against Fujitsu seems to be their software activation process.
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Fri, 12 Mar 2004 01:27:41 GMT |
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William M. Klei #6 / 19
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 which is better merant or fujistu?
First and foremost, your subject line mentions "MERANT". MERANT is now OUT of the COBOL business. However, NetExpress is a product that is provided by the *new* Micro Focus company. See: www.microfocus.com Before helping you with the criteria for selecting one of these, how about you tell us what you expect to do with the compiler and why you are looking at getting a new COBOL compiler? A) Do you plan to use this to "teach yourself" COBOL? In which case, I would get a book that includes a compiler (or two)? B) Are you a student in a COBOL course? In which case, I would get the compiler recommended by the instructor. C) Do you know COBOL on another platform? In which case, I would check out the "compatibility" features of each compiler. (Micro Focus tends to have MORE compatibility options with newer IBM compilers - but Fujitsu is quite compatible with older ones.) D) Do you need/plan on interfacing with other software? (For examples, IBM Assembler, PL/I, CICS and IMS is probably better with Micro Focus. It seems to me that Fujitsu is the only one working with Microsoft .NET - and MAY be better in OLE integration). E) What do you plan on doing with the "output" of your work with the compiler? Sell it? Port the source code to an IBM mainframe? Use it for your own personal applications? Use it for in-house (many people in your company) applications? Each of these have different ramifications for deployment ease and price. F) What operating system to you work on and do you plan on running your applications on? How often do you upgrade your OS? How often might you port your application? *** There are probably LOTS of other questions that I would ask before even starting to give you a "clue" on which would be better for you. Again, if you tell us WHY you are looking for a compiler, we may be better able to give you some ideas of what to look at. -- Bill Klein wmklein <at> ix.netcom.com
supernews.com... Quote: > Ha, tough room. > Okay, what criteria would you recommend I use to evaluate?
> > Silly question. > > You didn't say what your criteria are... > > What are you looking for? > > Might as well ask: "Which is better...Nike or Reebok?" > > Or "Rolls Royce or Mercedes?" > > The answer is the same. They are BOTH quality products. > > If you are looking for sportshoes you will have certain criteria in mind. > If > > you are looking for a luxury vehicle you will have certain criteria in > mind. > > If you haven't, then toss a coin <G>. > > If you don't know how to formulate criteria and evaluate products for > > yourself, then you deserve whatever you get... > > And if you buy products based on other people's opinions, or the power of > > advertising, then you also deserve whatever you get. > > Pete.
> > > Hi Group, > > > Which is better? netexpress or fujistu cobol? > > > thanks, > > > Stan > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- > > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > > Check out our new Unlimited Server. No Download or Time Limits! > > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! ==-----
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Fri, 12 Mar 2004 07:46:49 GMT |
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Jerry #7 / 19
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 which is better merant or fujistu?
Quote: > B) Are you a student in a COBOL course? In which case, I would get the > compiler recommended by the instructor.
Bill, if what others (whose native language is apparently not English) believe is true, you've just counseled theft, which, it was pointed out to me earlier, could result in this poor sod being expelled from school.
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Fri, 12 Mar 2004 20:34:15 GMT |
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James J. Gava #8 / 19
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 which is better merant or fujistu?
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> StanleyDog > PowerCobol from Fujtisu is better, DialogSystem from Merant is very > hard to use and in Fujitsu is full Cobol, has a better interface and > Project, but of course > need to Improve > My Opinion. > By the way I Know both
Stan, This is the sort of damn silly advice that Pete Dashwood was warning you against ! As he pointed out, make your own evaluation using demo copies of BOTH compilers - which features appeal, which don't, how are they on pricing, irritants like password keys, cost for tech support, how quickly do they react with changes etc. They are both like comparing the Rolls Royce and the Mercedes - they both give excellent road worthiness. You be the judge. I use Micro Focus (was Merant) but don't use the Dialog System - there are many using this module who swear by it. With no direct knowledge, I have gained the 'impression' that the POWERCOBOL approach to GUI design is *smoother*. I have no problem with Micro Focus project control, allows me to do a tremendous number of things and is backed up by a superb de{*filter*} 'Animator'. If you sit down and tabulate the pluses and minuses for both, I think you will come out pretty equal. But it's your decision, based on taking a personal look see. Jimmy, Calgary AB
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Sat, 13 Mar 2004 01:31:34 GMT |
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Thane Hubbel #9 / 19
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 which is better merant or fujistu?
Tough question to answer. Tell us what your environment is, and your requirements and we'll try to help. On the balance of things, when I had to choose, I chose Fujitsu.
Quote: >Hi Group, >Which is better? netexpress or fujistu cobol? >thanks, >Stan
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Sat, 13 Mar 2004 04:04:26 GMT |
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Thane Hubbel #10 / 19
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 which is better merant or fujistu?
But that would have been too easy Pete. OBVIOUSLY Reebok is better - more of a chance to hit a triple word score because it has more letters!
Quote: >Silly question. >You didn't say what your criteria are... >What are you looking for? >Might as well ask: "Which is better...Nike or Reebok?" >Or "Rolls Royce or Mercedes?" >The answer is the same. They are BOTH quality products. >If you are looking for sportshoes you will have certain criteria in mind. If >you are looking for a luxury vehicle you will have certain criteria in mind. >If you haven't, then toss a coin <G>. >If you don't know how to formulate criteria and evaluate products for >yourself, then you deserve whatever you get... >And if you buy products based on other people's opinions, or the power of >advertising, then you also deserve whatever you get. >Pete.
>> Hi Group, >> Which is better? netexpress or fujistu cobol? >> thanks, >> Stan >-----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- >http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > Check out our new Unlimited Server. No Download or Time Limits! >-----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! ==-----
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Sat, 13 Mar 2004 04:22:24 GMT |
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Denny Brous #11 / 19
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 which is better merant or fujistu?
Stan, Yep, it's a tough room for sure. But then again, programmers reside here, so without sufficient input as to purpose, proposed usage, budget, future plans, etc., there probably will be no correct reply to your inquiry. However, our shop used to use the MicroFocus PC compiler, which was a quality product and had good debugging tools, but definitely had an IBM "slant" to it. Since we run a Unisys Clearpath "open systems" mainframe and we were moving to more Server/Client programs that interface directly with the Clearpath system, we switched to the Fujitsu product, which includes "PowerCobol", "PowerForm", etc. This decision was perfect for us since the PowerCobol product let us snip much of our existing Mainframe code into modules of PowerCobol, let the PowerCobol tool interface create the "tough" Windows GUI side of the application, and get the program off and running with relatively little investment in money and programmer time. We had not tried the Netexpress Version before we made the decision to go with Fujitsu, so I'm not qualified to make that comparison. Actually, I don't think it was released when we made the decision. But overall, the Fujitsu product has exceeded our expectations, especially since we're now using some of the ODBC interfaces that Fujitsu provides. As others have said, try both and see which one fits your needs and budget. Denny
Quote: > Ha, tough room. > Okay, what criteria would you recommend I use to evaluate?
> > Silly question. > > You didn't say what your criteria are... > > What are you looking for? > > Might as well ask: "Which is better...Nike or Reebok?" > > Or "Rolls Royce or Mercedes?" > > The answer is the same. They are BOTH quality products. > > If you are looking for sportshoes you will have certain criteria in mind. > If > > you are looking for a luxury vehicle you will have certain criteria in > mind. > > If you haven't, then toss a coin <G>. > > If you don't know how to formulate criteria and evaluate products for > > yourself, then you deserve whatever you get... > > And if you buy products based on other people's opinions, or the power of > > advertising, then you also deserve whatever you get. > > Pete.
> > > Hi Group, > > > Which is better? netexpress or fujistu cobol? > > > thanks, > > > Stan > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- > > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > > Check out our new Unlimited Server. No Download or Time Limits! > > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! ==-----
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Sat, 13 Mar 2004 10:37:40 GMT |
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Robert M. Pritchett - RMP Consulting Partners LL #12 / 19
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 which is better merant or fujistu?
Now where did that idea come from? I see nothing here that advocates or even suggests any kind of theft. At worst, maybe a potential for a conflict of interest if the professor has an undisclosed interest in a particular brand and the student goes out and buys his own copy of the same brand without questioning the recommendation. Who said anything about theft? -- Robert M. Pritchett, President - RMP Consulting Partners LLC - member ICCA Quality means doing it right the first time - http://rmpcp.com Tired of hearing "W-2 only"? Work the same contract on our 1099 instead! .
Quote: > B) Are you a student in a COBOL course? In which case, I would get the > compiler recommended by the instructor.
Bill, if what others (whose native language is apparently not English) believe is true, you've just counseled theft, which, it was pointed out to me earlier, could result in this poor sod being expelled from school.
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Sun, 14 Mar 2004 03:17:19 GMT |
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j.. #13 / 19
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 which is better merant or fujistu?
Go for Fujitsu.
Quote: >Hi Group, >Which is better? netexpress or fujistu cobol? >thanks, >Stan
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Sun, 14 Mar 2004 05:34:21 GMT |
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Mike Kinas #14 / 19
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 which is better merant or fujistu?
Someone said Coin Toss.... well I'm not so sure...... I use NE 3.1 and do like it but am disappointed that micro focus's apparent .NET support is not going to be a native IL compiler but the fact that "we can make COM objects" which can be used via .NET interop (managed CLR talking to unmanaged COM via costly mashalling). I'd focus on Fujutsu first and maybe take a NE demo if you think it's lacking in some way....... I'd love to see a MF-Cobol.NET. Big .NET Fan from TX Mike
Quote: > Hi Group, > Which is better? netexpress or fujistu cobol? > thanks, > Stan
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Sun, 14 Mar 2004 10:46:56 GMT |
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Calin in TORONT #15 / 19
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 which is better merant or fujistu?
Quote: > Go for Fujitsu.
Wow! A Canadian fellow who actually has a strong opinion... You sure you're Canadian?! <G> Calin, TORONTO
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Mon, 15 Mar 2004 03:01:15 GMT |
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