Is there anybody using Liant RM-COBOL ? 
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 Is there anybody using Liant RM-COBOL ?

I feel alone... Who is using RM-COBOL ?  Is everybody on Microfocus or what?

--
Eric Crespin
Consultant
VIVA Soft Inc.



Sun, 23 Jul 2000 03:00:00 GMT  
 Is there anybody using Liant RM-COBOL ?

On Wed, 4 Feb 1998 07:50:43 -0400, "Eric Crespin"

Quote:

>I feel alone... Who is using RM-COBOL ?  Is everybody on Microfocus or what?

>--
>Eric Crespin
>Consultant
>VIVA Soft Inc.

Seems most here are on MF Cobol which I've always confused with
MainFrame Cobol.....not microfocus.

Cheers,
Kevin



Sun, 23 Jul 2000 03:00:00 GMT  
 Is there anybody using Liant RM-COBOL ?

Yes, i am using LIANT RM-COBOL just over 11 years and
i feel alone too - i think this is the better language for
pcs, mainframes, etc
If you like e-mail me if you are programmer

Joao Araujo



Quote:
> I feel alone... Who is using RM-COBOL ?  Is everybody on Microfocus or
what?

> --
> Eric Crespin
> Consultant
> VIVA Soft Inc.



Sun, 23 Jul 2000 03:00:00 GMT  
 Is there anybody using Liant RM-COBOL ?

I use RM Cobol.
It's just DOS based, but useful for picking up on syntax.
I'm on my 4th credit and almost done and ready for credit 5.
Are you in a class or trying to learn?

As for me, I want to learn from Fujitzu on the free
Windows based COBOL.  I have the current version
but it's too hard to understand where to begin.

Greg

On Wed, 4 Feb 1998 07:50:43 -0400, "Eric Crespin"

Quote:

>I feel alone... Who is using RM-COBOL ?  Is everybody on Microfocus or what?

>--
>Eric Crespin
>Consultant
>VIVA Soft Inc.



Sun, 23 Jul 2000 03:00:00 GMT  
 Is there anybody using Liant RM-COBOL ?

On Wed, 4 Feb 1998 07:50:43 -0400, "Eric Crespin"

Quote:

>I feel alone... Who is using RM-COBOL ?  Is everybody on Microfocus or what?

>--

The software package we run our business with (FOOTWORKS from CCSI)
is written in RM-COBOL. It was originally written for Burroughs B-20's
(CTOS), was ported to UNIX V in 1987, and was ported to AIX in 1992.
It was also custom-ported to AS400.

VP Finance, Pazzo Inc
(just a title - I'm still programming)
COPY "/stdlib/DISCLAMER.TXT".



Sun, 23 Jul 2000 03:00:00 GMT  
 Is there anybody using Liant RM-COBOL ?

Quote:

> I feel alone... Who is using RM-COBOL ?  Is everybody on Microfocus or
> what?

I can assure you that you are NOT alone.  But you need to understand the
reason you feel this way.  What follows is my personal opinion, having
been in this ("compiler vendor") business for more than 20 years.

Micro Focus has concentrated on selling development seats to corporate
MIS shops, where getting the developers off the expensive mainframe and
onto the PC for the majority of the development cycle has been almost
their entire business -- they are very much in the compiler business,
and they are good at it.  This business model is a natural result of
Micro Focus' adoption by IBM as the PC COBOL to be sold by IBM*.  (This
is also the business model for CA-Realia.)  As some of Micro Focus' MIS
customers have moved to open systems, the customers have adopted the
Micro Focus product on the open system as well, which certainly is among
the reasonable choices such customers might make.

RM/COBOL, on the other hand, has its roots in the now forgotten world of
minicomputers.  Many minicomputer vendors (DEC and DG being the notable
exceptions) offered RM languages in OEM versions, so the open system
migration path for the customers of these hardware vendors naturally led
to RM/COBOL.  But -- who were these customers?  IBM had the mainframe
MIS world locked down.  The customers for minicomputers were VARs.  Many
of these VARs have turned into today's Independent Software Vendors
(ISVs).  This difference in customer base means that RM (now Liant) has
sold far fewer compilers than has Micro Focus, but RM products (i.e.
runtime support) are almost certainly installed on many more computers.

So, Eric, the result of this difference in business model means that the
RM customer is, in general, a long term user (i.e. expert user) of the
product and you don't see a bunch of questions on comp.lang.cobol.
Beyond that, the RM customers have a highly responsive technical support
staff available in Europe and the US to answer questions, so they need
not resort to a more public forum.

Eric, the developers (in addition to the technical support staff) of
RM/COBOL are monitoring comp.lang.cobol on a regular basis, so feel free
to ask your questions here if you wish.

--

Liant Software Corporation   http://www.liant.com/
512-343-1010  FAX:512-343-9487

* IBM had previously adopted RM/fortran to be IBM Professional FORTRAN
for the PC.  IBM did not want all its language eggs in one basket.



Sun, 23 Jul 2000 03:00:00 GMT  
 Is there anybody using Liant RM-COBOL ?

Dear Eric

You are most assuredly not alone.  Many more RM COBOL sites exist than is
known.  My company has purchased a POS software package and the right to
the source code.  All written in RM/COBOL.  I have three full-time
programmers and currently hiring another.  We have the largest user count
on a single system of any RM/COBOL site, usually around 650 users on a Data
General AV9500-16.
--
David Virgil



Quote:
> I feel alone... Who is using RM-COBOL ?  Is everybody on Microfocus or
what?

> --
> Eric Crespin
> Consultant
> VIVA Soft Inc.



Sun, 23 Jul 2000 03:00:00 GMT  
 Is there anybody using Liant RM-COBOL ?



Quote:

> > I feel alone... Who is using RM-COBOL ?  Is everybody on Microfocus or
> > what?

> I can assure you that you are NOT alone.  But you need to understand the
> reason you feel this way.  What follows is my personal opinion, having
> been in this ("compiler vendor") business for more than 20 years.

> Micro Focus has concentrated on selling development seats to corporate
> MIS shops,

This was the business RM used to be in a long time ago and failed to hold
on to it.

<snip>

Quote:
> RM/COBOL, on the other hand, has its roots in the now forgotten world of
> minicomputers.  Many minicomputer vendors (DEC and DG being the notable
> exceptions) offered RM languages in OEM versions, so the open system
> migration path for the customers of these hardware vendors naturally led
> to RM/COBOL.  But -- who were these customers?  IBM had the mainframe
> MIS world locked down.  The customers for minicomputers were VARs.  Many
> of these VARs have turned into today's Independent Software Vendors
> (ISVs).  This difference in customer base means that RM (now Liant) has
> sold far fewer compilers than has Micro Focus, but RM products (i.e.
> runtime support) are almost certainly installed on many more computers.

I can agree with this, most of the RM/COBOL sites that I'm aware of are
just this kind of business.

Quote:

> So, Eric, the result of this difference in business model means that the
> RM customer is, in general, a long term user (i.e. expert user) of the
> product and you don't see a bunch of questions on comp.lang.cobol.
> Beyond that, the RM customers have a highly responsive technical support
> staff available in Europe and the US to answer questions, so they need
> not resort to a more public forum.

This is the whole reason for my responding to the message.  I can't let you
make this statement without responding.  My experience with Liant has been
awful and very unsatisfying.  Liant's products often don't work as
advertised, are designed for small applications and don't scale well,
customer support has been unable and unwilling to provide the support that
we have required.  In desperation, I paid $1000's to have to Liant COBOL
specialists come to my site to discuss the performance problems we were
having, only to never have them follow up on the items they promised to
research.  

<snip>

So, if you are really using RM/COBOL and are happy with it, I'm glad for
you.  Tom's comments are very accurate for the most part and Liant has
responed to questions about their product, when they show up here.  But if
you are having problems, you may not get what you really need to improve
your situation.

--
David Virgil
Applications Development Manager
Foxworth-Galbraith Lumber Company



Sun, 23 Jul 2000 03:00:00 GMT  
 Is there anybody using Liant RM-COBOL ?

Quote:

>I feel alone... Who is using RM-COBOL ?  Is everybody on Microfocus or what?

>--
>Eric Crespin
>Consultant
>VIVA Soft Inc.

Hah!!!  You think you feel alone.  I'm working with MBP!  MicroFocus
bought them up 4yrs ago, and isn't supporting MBP.

Tim Oxler
TEO Computer Technologies Inc.
http://www.i1.net/~troxler
http://users.aol.com/TEOcorp



Sun, 23 Jul 2000 03:00:00 GMT  
 Is there anybody using Liant RM-COBOL ?


Crespin) growled:

Quote:
> I feel alone... Who is using RM-COBOL ?  Is everybody on Microfocus or
> what?

My company have used RM/Cobol since 1982 or thereabouts. But, like
ACU-Cobol, it does seem to have a lot less devotees that Microfocus.

--
Paul Oldham, Milton, Cambridge, UK
http://www.the-hug.demon.co.uk/paul/
To email me take the "x" off the *reply-to* address



Sun, 23 Jul 2000 03:00:00 GMT  
 Is there anybody using Liant RM-COBOL ?

Quote:


>>I feel alone... Who is using RM-COBOL ?  Is everybody on Microfocus or
what?

>>--
>>Eric Crespin
>>Consultant
>>VIVA Soft Inc.

>Hah!!!  You think you feel alone.  I'm working with MBP!  MicroFocus
>bought them up 4yrs ago, and isn't supporting MBP.

>Tim Oxler
>TEO Computer Technologies Inc.
>http://www.i1.net/~troxler
>http://users.aol.com/TEOcorp

The following (slightly edited) reply was sent to me (and to Tim Oxler) from
a support manager at Micro Focus,

"Tim Oxler is very much mistaken.  The Visual COBOL product line (which used
to be owned by mbp and then by EDS, before <Micro Focus> purchased it) is a
fully supported product with it's own  edicated resources both here and in
Europe.

In the US, the support phone number is the same as it has been since before
Micro Focus purchased the product line - 1-800-447-4627, so the phone number
should have been listed in the product documentation."



Tue, 25 Jul 2000 03:00:00 GMT  
 Is there anybody using Liant RM-COBOL ?

In 1986, we bought several modules of Macola's business applications package. I
chose Macola mainly because they agreed to sell the source code. At that time,
their package was a conversion of a TI COBOL (Texas Instruments) package into
RM/COBOL. Over the years, we've modified the entire system to the point where
there are few remaining blocks of original code left, and we've written
telemarketing and purchase order modules from scratch. All this with just two
part-time programmers, of whom I am one. If there was anything "wrong" with
RM/COBOL, we would have had to abandon it long ago -- but it holds up just fine.
We went from version 2.1 for DOS through every upgrade up to version 6 for
Windows. We're just finishing up our Y2K conversion, and I'm having fun writing
Visual Basic front-ends to our system. Right now I'm working on a simple
assembler module that returns a full date, including century, to COBOL, because
the C utility Liant published on its web site doesn't work for me (system
hangs).

So you're not alone, you're just part of a group of very busy people.

--Greg at Mr Fax

Quote:

> I feel alone... Who is using RM-COBOL ?  Is everybody on Microfocus or what?

> --
> Eric Crespin
> Consultant
> VIVA Soft Inc.



Tue, 25 Jul 2000 03:00:00 GMT  
 
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