One more trivial question on K&R2?
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Kenny-
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 One more trivial question on K&R2? OK, esteemed C geeks, you talked me into it. I picked up K&R2 this
afternoon and have began reading... How promising it is to pick up a
tech book under 900 pages (way under). I can probably read this one
two times through successively without burning out due to its
reasonable length.
As for my trivial question, how does one tell which printing is which?
A previous thread revealed that a later printing was done on thicker
but inferior paper. (My copy weighs in at about 20mm.)
just curious.
regards,
kz
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| Wed, 25 May 2005 14:13:23 GMT |
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rjh
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One more trivial question on K&R2? Quote:
> OK, esteemed C geeks, you talked me into it. I picked up K&R2 this
> afternoon and have began reading... How promising it is to pick up a
> tech book under 900 pages (way under). I can probably read this one
> two times through successively without burning out due to its
> reasonable length.
No, you probably can't. K&R is much longer on the inside than it is on the
outside.
Quote: > As for my trivial question, how does one tell which printing is which?
> A previous thread revealed that a later printing was done on thicker
> but inferior paper. (My copy weighs in at about 20mm.)
The earlier, more robust, book is ANADI half an inch thick, which would be
about 12 or 13mm.
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| Wed, 25 May 2005 15:49:49 GMT |
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Kenny-
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One more trivial question on K&R2?
Quote:
> > OK, esteemed C geeks, you talked me into it. I picked up K&R2 this
> > afternoon and have began reading... How promising it is to pick up
a
> > tech book under 900 pages (way under). I can probably read this
one
> > two times through successively without burning out due to its
> > reasonable length.
> No, you probably can't. K&R is much longer on the inside than it is
on the
> outside.
By 'without burning out', I didn't mean that I would understand and
absorb more thank 20% of what I read... just that I wouldn't be
overwhelmed by page numbers...
Quote: > > As for my trivial question, how does one tell which printing is which? > > A previous thread revealed that a later printing was done on thicker > > but inferior paper. (My copy weighs in at about 20mm.) > The earlier, more robust, book is ANADI half an inch thick, which
would be
> about 12 or 13mm.
regards,
kz
Quote: > --
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| Thu, 26 May 2005 02:16:30 GMT |
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getwellnes..
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One more trivial question on K&R2? I have two copies,
one being thicker because the paper is thicker.. a sponge recycled
paper feel to it.
You want to see what the printing history says.
look for something like "Printed in USA"
n+2, n+1, n
You want to find out what n is..
Mine is 18th printing...
Hope this helps
Quote: >OK, esteemed C geeks, you talked me into it. I picked up K&R2 this
>afternoon and have began reading... How promising it is to pick up a
>tech book under 900 pages (way under). I can probably read this one
>two times through successively without burning out due to its
>reasonable length.
>As for my trivial question, how does one tell which printing is which?
>A previous thread revealed that a later printing was done on thicker
>but inferior paper. (My copy weighs in at about 20mm.)
>just curious.
>regards,
>kz
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| Thu, 26 May 2005 04:12:55 GMT |
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max101000010.0100010
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One more trivial question on K&R2? do not top-post please.
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| Thu, 26 May 2005 19:14:43 GMT |
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Dan P
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One more trivial question on K&R2?
Quote: >OK, esteemed C geeks, you talked me into it. I picked up K&R2 this
>afternoon and have began reading... How promising it is to pick up a
>tech book under 900 pages (way under). I can probably read this one
>two times through successively without burning out due to its
>reasonable length.
Beware: one of the reasons the book is small is because the authors
don't keep repeating themselves. Any small detail you didn't pay
enough attention to when it was mentioned will bite you later. So,
read it *very* carefully and at least twice, but do some programming
of your own between the first and the second reading.
Quote: >As for my trivial question, how does one tell which printing is which?
It's mentioned on the copyright page, under the "Printed in the USA"
text: look at the smallest number.
Quote: >A previous thread revealed that a later printing was done on thicker
>but inferior paper. (My copy weighs in at about 20mm.)
Mine (6th printing) is 11.1 mm thick.
Dan
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| Fri, 27 May 2005 23:42:35 GMT |
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willem veenhove
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One more trivial question on K&R2? Quote:
> > A previous thread revealed that a later printing was done
> > on thicker but inferior paper. (My copy weighs in at about
> > 20mm.)
> Mine (6th printing) is 11.1 mm thick.
To determine the mean thickness of a book, the moisture content
of the paper is very important also :)
willem
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| Sat, 28 May 2005 00:35:09 GMT |
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Darrell Graing
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One more trivial question on K&R2? Quote:
> OK, esteemed C geeks, you talked me into it. I picked up K&R2 this
> afternoon and have began reading... How promising it is to pick up a
> tech book under 900 pages (way under). I can probably read this one
> two times through successively without burning out due to its
> reasonable length.
Read slowly. The text is thin but incredibly concise. There is a lot
packed into those 272+ pages.
Quote: > As for my trivial question, how does one tell which printing is which?
> A previous thread revealed that a later printing was done on thicker
> but inferior paper. (My copy weighs in at about 20mm.)
I just measured mine, it is 11mm. Most students I talk to lately have the
20mm thick version. You'd have to buy used to get the 11mm thick version.
Quote: > just curious. > regards,
> kz
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| Sat, 28 May 2005 02:49:58 GMT |
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Rick Dearma
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One more trivial question on K&R2? Quote:
> >OK, esteemed C geeks, you talked me into it. I picked up K&R2 this
> >afternoon and have began reading... How promising it is to pick up a
> >tech book under 900 pages (way under). I can probably read this one
> >two times through successively without burning out due to its
> >reasonable length.
> Beware: one of the reasons the book is small is because the authors
> don't keep repeating themselves. Any small detail you didn't pay
> enough attention to when it was mentioned will bite you later. So,
> read it *very* carefully and at least twice, but do some programming
> of your own between the first and the second reading.
> >As for my trivial question, how does one tell which printing is which?
> It's mentioned on the copyright page, under the "Printed in the USA"
> text: look at the smallest number.
Where do you look if your book was not printed in the USA, but by
Prentice-Hall International. What if it isn't printed in English. I'd
have though a good programmer like yourself wouldn't make assumptions
like that. See the following:
Once upon a time a Lawyer, a Scientist, and a Mathematician were on a
train to Scotland. After passing into Scotland they looked out the
window and saw a black sheep.
"Ah," exclaimed the Lawyer "this proves that all sheep in Scotland are black."
"No, you fool," said the Scientist. "It proves that one of the sheep
in Scotland is black."
"Actually," said the Mathematician, "it proves that at least one sheep
in at least one field field in Scotland is black on at least one side
while facing north at 12:00 pm on a Sunday."
;-)
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| Sat, 28 May 2005 19:19:31 GMT |
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Dan P
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One more trivial question on K&R2?
Quote:
>> >OK, esteemed C geeks, you talked me into it. I picked up K&R2 this
>> >afternoon and have began reading... How promising it is to pick up a
>> >tech book under 900 pages (way under). I can probably read this one
>> >two times through successively without burning out due to its
>> >reasonable length.
>> Beware: one of the reasons the book is small is because the authors
>> don't keep repeating themselves. Any small detail you didn't pay
>> enough attention to when it was mentioned will bite you later. So,
>> read it *very* carefully and at least twice, but do some programming
>> of your own between the first and the second reading.
>> >As for my trivial question, how does one tell which printing is which?
>> It's mentioned on the copyright page, under the "Printed in the USA"
>> text: look at the smallest number.
>Where do you look if your book was not printed in the USA, but by
>Prentice-Hall International.
Only a patent idiot could fail to find it in this case, after reading
my advice above. I do NOT care about patent idiots who might be reading
my posts.
Quote: >What if it isn't printed in English.
Then, the question is moot: it makes no sense to compare printing numbers
unless they belong to books with the same ISBN.
Since the OP didn't explicitly mention a non-English version, the
implicit assumption is that he's talking about ISBN 0-13-110362-8 (the
paperback version).
Dan
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| Sat, 28 May 2005 22:31:35 GMT |
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CBFalcone
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One more trivial question on K&R2? Quote:
... snip ...
> > > As for my trivial question, how does one tell which printing
> > > is which?
> > It's mentioned on the copyright page, under the "Printed in the
> > USA" text: look at the smallest number.
> Where do you look if your book was not printed in the USA, but by
> Prentice-Hall International. What if it isn't printed in English.
> I'd have though a good programmer like yourself wouldn't make
> assumptions like that. See the following:
> Once upon a time a Lawyer, a Scientist, and a Mathematician were
> on a train to Scotland. After passing into Scotland they looked
> out the window and saw a black sheep.
> "Ah," exclaimed the Lawyer "this proves that all sheep in Scotland
> are black."
> "No, you fool," said the Scientist. "It proves that one of the
> sheep in Scotland is black."
> "Actually," said the Mathematician, "it proves that at least one
> sheep in at least one field field in Scotland is black on at least
> one side while facing north at 12:00 pm on a Sunday."
The way I heard it, about 50 years ago, they were in Texas, and
consisted of an Engineer, a Physicist, and a Pure-mathematician.
Same sheep, different train. The lawyers had all been killed.
The P-M stated:
"There exists in Texas at least one sheep, one side of which we
know to be black." You can visualize the reversed capital E.
We physicists tended to look down on lesser breeds. Injuneers
cudden spel and P-Ms were overly pedantic. Computer Science
didn't exist. Also, from Montreal, Texas is an eminently suitable
site for satire.
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| Sat, 28 May 2005 23:52:11 GMT |
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Kenny-
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One more trivial question on K&R2? Quote: > > Where do you look if your book was not printed in the USA, but by > > Prentice-Hall International. What if it isn't printed in English. > > I'd have though a good programmer like yourself wouldn't make > > assumptions like that. See the following: > > Once upon a time a Lawyer, a Scientist, and a Mathematician were
> > on a train to Scotland. After passing into Scotland they looked
> > out the window and saw a black sheep.
> > "Ah," exclaimed the Lawyer "this proves that all sheep in Scotland
> > are black."
> > "No, you fool," said the Scientist. "It proves that one of the
> > sheep in Scotland is black."
> > "Actually," said the Mathematician, "it proves that at least one
> > sheep in at least one field field in Scotland is black on at least
> > one side while facing north at 12:00 pm on a Sunday."
> The way I heard it, about 50 years ago, they were in Texas, and
> consisted of an Engineer, a Physicist, and a Pure-mathematician.
> Same sheep, different train. The lawyers had all been killed.
> The P-M stated:
recall who the 'wise' one was in this scenario; any guesses?).
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| Sun, 29 May 2005 00:00:58 GMT |
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Kenny-
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One more trivial question on K&R2?
Quote:
> > OK, esteemed C geeks, you talked me into it. I picked up K&R2 this
> > afternoon and have began reading... How promising it is to pick up a
> > tech book under 900 pages (way under). I can probably read this one
> > two times through successively without burning out due to its
> > reasonable length.
> Read slowly. The text is thin but incredibly concise. There is a lot
> packed into those 272+ pages.
> > As for my trivial question, how does one tell which printing is which?
> > A previous thread revealed that a later printing was done on thicker
> > but inferior paper. (My copy weighs in at about 20mm.)
> I just measured mine, it is 11mm. Most students I talk to lately have the
> 20mm thick version. You'd have to buy used to get the 11mm thick version.
Thanks for the clarification! Also, thanks to the other recent responders...
Mine is clearly the (English) 'thick' version. It should be fine. I'll try not
to drool on the pages and make the ink bleed.
kz
Quote: > > just curious. > > regards,
> > kz
> ---
> "iqgbgxmdbjlgdv.lksrqek.n";char *strchr(const char *,int); while
> (*i){j+=strchr(t,*i++)-t;j%=sizeof t-1;putchar(t[j]);}return 0;}
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| Sun, 29 May 2005 00:03:08 GMT |
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Default Use
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One more trivial question on K&R2? Quote:
> We physicists tended to look down on lesser breeds. Injuneers
> cudden spel and P-Ms were overly pedantic. Computer Science
> didn't exist. Also, from Montreal, Texas is an eminently suitable
> site for satire.
Hehe. Remember how we thought of the chemists?
Brian Rodenborn
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| Sun, 29 May 2005 01:23:57 GMT |
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Sven from Swiss Cotta
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One more trivial question on K&R2? Quote: > Mine (6th printing) is 11.1 mm thick.
> Dan
I'm very interested in measuring the thickness of my copy of K&R2 to
an accuracy of 0.1mm, as Dan has done, and would like some advice on
how to go about it. Firstly, is Dan's copy the same thickness all
over, or is 11.1mm an average over a number of points? My copy seems a
bit thicker at the spine, so I guess I'll need to take an average, but
how many points would be appropriate? Also, Dan, what measuring
implement did you use? I guess a ruler would not be accurate enough,
so I imagine it was calipers or a micrometer? Also, what pressure did
you apply to the book when measuring? My copy changes thickness under
pressure, but less so at the spine, perhaps because of the stiffening
effect of the glue.
Thanks in advance for your help
Sven
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