C Language, slightly OT, but C# curious

slightly OT, but C# curious

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Clark G.Smit #1 / 16	slightly OT, but C# curious Greetings all: Granted, this is slightly off-topic, but I couldn't think of a more appropriate group to get opinions from. I am, to the extent of my ignorance of the subject, somewhat e{filter}d about C#. Has anyone investigated this tool, and could offer their opinions as to the relative merits of C# as compared to C or C++? Thanks, Clark G. Smith
Thu, 10 Jul 2003 02:12:31 GMT

Martin Ambuh #2 / 16	slightly OT, but C# curious Quote: > Greetings all: > Granted, this is slightly off-topic, but I couldn't think of a more > appropriate group to get opinions from. > I am, to the extent of my ignorance of the subject, somewhat e{filter}d about > C#. Has anyone investigated this tool, and could offer their opinions as to > the relative merits of C# as compared to C or C++? C# is a joke designed to force you into Micro$loth's empire. C and C++ are programming languages.
Thu, 10 Jul 2003 02:15:07 GMT

mike burrel #3 / 16	slightly OT, but C# curious Quote: > Granted, this is slightly off-topic, but I couldn't think of a more > appropriate group to get opinions from. > I am, to the extent of my ignorance of the subject, somewhat e{filter}d about > C#. Has anyone investigated this tool, and could offer their opinions as to > the relative merits of C# as compared to C or C++? i believe it has a lot more in common with C++ than C. probably the only similarity between C# and C would be that the style of syntax is similar. -- /"\ m i k e b u r r e l l X AGAINST HTML MAIL,
Thu, 10 Jul 2003 02:51:02 GMT

Jack Klei #4 / 16	slightly OT, but C# curious On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 12:12:31 -0600, "Clark G.Smith" Quote: > Greetings all: > Granted, this is slightly off-topic, but I couldn't think of a more > appropriate group to get opinions from. > I am, to the extent of my ignorance of the subject, somewhat e{filter}d about > C#. Has anyone investigated this tool, and could offer their opinions as to > the relative merits of C# as compared to C or C++? > Thanks, > Clark G. Smith Actually it is not slightly, but totally off-topic. This group discusses the C language, and programming in C. Comparisons of C with _any_ other language are 100% off-topic. That is what advocacy and perhaps algorithm groups are for. By several valid criteria, C is the most successful computer language in existence. By any criteria at all, it is the most widely available on the largest number of platforms. This has generated a large number of efforts to extend or adapt or derive from C, of which a few have achieved notable success, such as C++, Java, and perhaps Objective C. Nevertheless, none of these languages, nor any of the less successful derivatives of C, nor any future derivatives of C, including C#, has anything at all to do with C, and is not topical here. I am sure by now that Microsoft has added some groups in their proprietary language. -- Jack Klein Home: http://www.--.com/ FAQs for comp.lang.c http://www.--.com/ ~scs/C-faq/top.html comp.lang.c++ http://www.--*.com/ ++-faq-lite/ alt.comp.lang.learn.c-c++ ftp://snurse-l.org/pub/acllc-c++/faq
Thu, 10 Jul 2003 02:57:23 GMT

John Burto #5 / 16	slightly OT, but C# curious Quote: > Greetings all: > Granted, this is slightly off-topic, but I couldn't think of a more > appropriate group to get opinions from. > I am, to the extent of my ignorance of the subject, somewhat e{filter}d about > C#. Has anyone investigated this tool, and could offer their opinions as > to the relative merits of C# as compared to C or C++? If you are running windows I suggest you get hold of the .NET SDK from microsoft and have a play with it. I was pleasently suprised by it, from a technical point of view it seems interesting to me.
Thu, 10 Jul 2003 03:00:25 GMT

Kaz Kylhe #6 / 16	slightly OT, but C# curious Quote: >Greetings all: >Granted, this is slightly off-topic, but I couldn't think of a more >appropriate group to get opinions from. >I am, to the extent of my ignorance of the subject, somewhat e{filter}d about >C#. Has anyone investigated this tool, and could offer their opinions as to >the relative merits of C# as compared to C or C++? C# is a high level language that is not suitable for systems programming tasks in the way that C and C++ are. But more importantly, C# language simply doesn't currently enjoy the broad audience of target platforms. Right now it's really less of a language, and more of a single-vendor product with very limited platform support. The main purpose of C# is not to actually do programming; rather it's a strategic tool created by Microsoft to form a position against Java. That's the specific need that the language addresses, not some actual technological requirement from a customer.
Thu, 10 Jul 2003 03:53:42 GMT

Clark G.Smit #7 / 16	slightly OT, but C# curious Can't you ever just give it a rest Klein? I stated right up front that I new it was OT, so obviously I did not need you clearing that up for me. I also stated that I could not think of a more appropriate place to get opinions on such a topic, which might just suggest that I respect the opinions (of most) of the people in here, which could be taken as a compliment. If you spent 2% as much time giving meaningful answers, as you did slithering around looking for shit that was off-topic, not 100% C standard, or against "usenet etiquette", so that you could "set them people straight", you might actually be of use to someone. You "talk the talk" Klein, but frankly I doubt if you could engineer yourself out of a wet paper sack; therein lies your personal sense of inadequacy that makes you be such a{filter} all the time. And oh yeah, your "contributing author" status just doesn't do a thing for me. You don't like me Klein? Good, at least we can agree on something. Let the flames begin all; I deserve it. Nevertheless, I feel so much better for finally getting that off my chest with Mr. Technology dot com. Quote: > On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 12:12:31 -0600, "Clark G.Smith" > > Greetings all: > > Granted, this is slightly off-topic, but I couldn't think of a more > > appropriate group to get opinions from. > > I am, to the extent of my ignorance of the subject, somewhat e{filter}d about > > C#. Has anyone investigated this tool, and could offer their opinions as to > > the relative merits of C# as compared to C or C++? > > Thanks, > > Clark G. Smith > Actually it is not slightly, but totally off-topic. This group > discusses the C language, and programming in C. Comparisons of C with > _any_ other language are 100% off-topic. That is what advocacy and > perhaps algorithm groups are for. > By several valid criteria, C is the most successful computer language > in existence. By any criteria at all, it is the most widely available > on the largest number of platforms. This has generated a large number > of efforts to extend or adapt or derive from C, of which a few have > achieved notable success, such as C++, Java, and perhaps Objective C. > Nevertheless, none of these languages, nor any of the less successful > derivatives of C, nor any future derivatives of C, including C#, has > anything at all to do with C, and is not topical here. > I am sure by now that Microsoft has added some groups in their > proprietary language. > -- > Jack Klein > Home: http://www.--.com/ > FAQs for > comp.lang.c http://www.--.com/ ~scs/C-faq/top.html > comp.lang.c++ http://www.--*.com/ ++-faq-lite/ > alt.comp.lang.learn.c-c++ ftp://snurse-l.org/pub/acllc-c++/faq
Thu, 10 Jul 2003 15:28:27 GMT

naisb.. #8 / 16	slightly OT, but C# curious Quote: > Can't you ever just give it a rest Klein? I hope not! I greatly value Mr. Klein's contributions to this group. Quote: > I stated right up front that I new it was OT First of all, your argument here makes absolutely no sense. You said it was slightly off-topic; he said it was entirely off-topic. Second, if you know it's off-topic, then don't post it. Quote: > I also stated that I could not think of a more appropriate place to > get opinions on such a topic Right! Jack Klein posted this so that you could go to that appropriate place, rather than leaving you in the dark with no useful responses in the wrong group: Quote: >> I am sure by now that Microsoft has added some groups in their >> proprietary language. Can't you see that Mr. Klein was doing you a favor by pointing out which group to post to after you indicated you needed this information? He not only answered your question, he did it politely! Quote: > You don't like me Klein? I don't understand. How did you infer that from his professional and polite post? He made no personal attacks. Quote: > Let the flames begin all; I deserve it. That's true. If you have anything further to say, I suggest you either take it to email, or, preferably, keep it to yourself. --
Thu, 10 Jul 2003 15:34:23 GMT

Richard Heathfiel #9 / 16	slightly OT, but C# curious Quote: > Can't you ever just give it a rest Klein? Usually, Mr Smith, you seem to be quite clueful. This week, however, you appear to be ending up in as many killfiles as possible. Therefore, I'll assume you're going through a bad patch and not plonk you just yet. But it would be good if you could wise up a little. You should know that Mr Klein is a respected and clueful subscriber, and it's worth paying attention to what he says. <snip> -- Richard Heathfield "Usenet is a strange place." - Dennis M Ritchie, 29 July 1999. C FAQ: http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/C-faq/top.html K&R answers, C books, etc: http://users.powernet.co.uk/eton
Thu, 10 Jul 2003 16:58:37 GMT

Malcol #10 / 16	slightly OT, but C# curious Quote: > Comparisons of C with > _any_ other language are 100% off-topic. That is what advocacy and > perhaps algorithm groups are for. algorithm groups are not for discussion of language issues ! (Except maybe to discuss whether a specific algorithm can be implemented better in one language than another). -- Play Snap on ZD net. Free program. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Thu, 10 Jul 2003 18:14:33 GMT

Kaz Kylhe #11 / 16	slightly OT, but C# curious Quote: >Can't you ever just give it a rest Klein? I stated right up front that I >new it was OT, so obviously I did not need you clearing that up for me. I If you knew it was OT, why did you post it? Since ignorance is not your excuse, by rational elimination, all that remains is arrogance and disrespect. Quote: >also stated that I could not think of a more appropriate place to get >opinions on such a topic. comp.programming comp.lang.misc
Fri, 11 Jul 2003 03:38:07 GMT

Mark McIntyr #12 / 16	slightly OT, but C# curious On Sun, 21 Jan 2001 01:28:27 -0600, "Clark G.Smith" Quote: >Can't you ever just give it a rest Klein? I stated right up front that I >new it was OT, so obviously I did not need you clearing that up for me. i think the point is, just because you said it was OT didn't make it ok to post here. Quote: >I >also stated that I could not think of a more appropriate place to get >opinions on such a topic, which might just suggest that I respect the >opinions (of most) of the people in here, which could be taken as a >compliment. Thats good. Fortunately Jack suggested some more appropriate places. Quote: >If you spent 2% as much time giving meaningful answers, as you did >slithering around looking for shit that was off-topic, not 100% C standard, >or against "usenet etiquette", so that you could "set them people straight", >you might actually be of use to someone. You "talk the talk" Klein, but >frankly I doubt if you could engineer yourself out of a wet paper sack; don't be an idiot. Quote: >therein lies your personal sense of inadequacy that makes you be such a{filter} >all the time. And oh yeah, your "contributing author" status just doesn't >do a thing for me. Cheap insults do your standing no good. I suggest that you refrain from them. Quote: >You don't like me Klein? Good, at least we can agree on something. >Let the flames begin all; I deserve it. you do. -- CLC FAQ < http://www.--*.com/ ~scs/C-faq/top.html>
Fri, 11 Jul 2003 07:26:32 GMT

Clark G.Smit #13 / 16	slightly OT, but C# curious Quote: > If you knew it was OT, why did you post it? Since ignorance is not your > excuse, by rational elimination, all that remains is arrogance and > disrespect. Or did you ever think that since it is a derivative of the C language, that perhaps I wanted the opinions of experienced C programmers? And think about this. Is checksums not a subject suitable for an algorithm group, and equally off-topic in here? Yet just a day or so ago he didn't mind giving a useful answer to a question about that, since it gave him an opportunity to pitch his book chapter, or whatever. I will admit however, that was wrong of me, and was not very well thought out. I just said what was on my mind in a moment of temporary insanity. My apologies Mr. Klein.
Fri, 11 Jul 2003 09:26:51 GMT

Ben Pfaf #14 / 16	slightly OT, but C# curious Quote: > And think about this. Is checksums not a subject suitable for an algorithm > group, and equally off-topic in here? Yet just a day or so ago he didn't > mind giving a useful answer to a question about that, since it gave him an > opportunity to pitch his book chapter, or whatever. If Mr. Klein's contract with MCP Publishing is anything like mine, for the same book, he doesn't get paid differently whether the book sells one copy or one million copies. Thus, he has little direct incentive to pitch the book. If he recommended a chapter in it, I'd pay attention: it's probably a good chapter to recommend. -- "What is appropriate for the master is not appropriate for the novice. You must understand the Tao before transcending structure." --The Tao of Programming
Fri, 11 Jul 2003 09:25:05 GMT

Clark G.Smit #15 / 16	slightly OT, but C# curious Look, I made a mistake, admitted it, and apologized for it. Now I am just going to let it go, and make it a point not to do that again. You go right ahead and dwell on it till your heart is content, if you so desire. Even though I started it, I am effectively detaching myself from this thread. Quote: > > And think about this. Is checksums not a subject suitable for an algorithm > > group, and equally off-topic in here? Yet just a day or so ago he didn't > > mind giving a useful answer to a question about that, since it gave him an > > opportunity to pitch his book chapter, or whatever. > If Mr. Klein's contract with MCP Publishing is anything like > mine, for the same book, he doesn't get paid differently whether > the book sells one copy or one million copies. Thus, he has > little direct incentive to pitch the book. If he recommended a > chapter in it, I'd pay attention: it's probably a good chapter to > recommend. > -- > "What is appropriate for the master is not appropriate for the novice. > You must understand the Tao before transcending structure." > --The Tao of Programming
Fri, 11 Jul 2003 10:34:33 GMT

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