More cowardly forgeries from comp.lang.ada / "schonberg.cs.nyu.edu" 
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 More cowardly forgeries from comp.lang.ada / "schonberg.cs.nyu.edu"

The following forgery was posted to comp.lang.ada (and 22-usenet
groups) and is attributed to schonberg.cs.nyu.edu.

Clearly cowards in the Ada community could care less that the source
of these forgeries traces back squarely to them.

PATH:
dimensional.com!imci2!news.internetMCI.com!suck-feed.internetmci.com!
imci5!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!
in2.uu.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.sprintlink.net!
rockyd!cmcl2!schonberg!joe
.............^^^^^^^^^

NNTP-Posting-Host: schonberg.cs.nyu.edu
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


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ADMINISTRATION) posted with deletions:

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| USENET KOOK JAN'96 COLIN JAMES III EXPOSES AMAZING EXPERTIZE IN LEGAL MATTERS AND DECLARES POSTING AN URL A LIBELOUS ACT!!!
| MAYBE HE WILL SOON ANNOUNCE THAT SIMPLY MENTIONING HIS NAME IS LIBEL???
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| ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
| :: http://www.*-*-*.com/ ::
| ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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| Subject: Re: Ted Dennison posts libelous per se article


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| #) | > CEC Services, 2080 Kipling St, Lakewood, CO  80215-1502   USA
| #) | > Voice: 303.231.9437;  Facsimile: .231.9438;  Data:  .231.9434
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| #) | http://www.*-*-*.com/
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| #) | --
| #) | T.E.D.          


| #) |                 |  URL  - http://www.*-*-*.com/ ~dennison         |
| #)
| #) TED has just made a very bad mistake in posting the article above (the
| #) fact that it is under the moniker of Lockheed Martin just makes it
| #) even worse, because now they have to be contacted and are involved
| #) just as much as TED now is).
| #)
| #) The website which TED references contains libelous per se html pages.
| #)
| #) It is clear that Dennison has succeeded in his attempt to repeat their
| #) offense in his article above by posting my company name and title
| #) above the libelous per se website, in order to:
| #)
| #) 1.  "disparage a man in his profession, office, trade or occupation"
| #) (De Pasquale v Westchester Newspapers, 8 NYS.2d 929, 931, 170 Misc
| #) 268; Washer v Bank of America Nat Trust & Savings Assn, 21 Cal.2d 822,
| #) 137 P.2d 297, 301, 155 ALR 1338);  and
| #)
| #) 2.  "tend to injure reputation and to expose to public hatred,
| #) contempt or shame" (Hall v Binhamton Press Co, Sup, 29 NYS.2d 760,
| #) 769,772).
| #)
| #) So far the above article is a civil matter; do not do it again.  As of
| #) CRS, 1994 Supplement, criminal libel in Colorado is a class 6 felony.
| #)
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| #) CEC Services, 2080 Kipling St, Lakewood, CO  80215-1502   USA
| #) Voice: 303.231.9437;  Facsimile: .231.9438;  Data:  .231.9434  
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| #)
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CEC Services, 2080 Kipling St, Lakewood, CO  80215-1502   USA
Voice: 303.231.9437;  Facsimile: .231.9438;  Data:  .231.9434  
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CEC Services, 2080 Kipling St, Lakewood, CO  80215-1502   USA
Voice: 303.231.9437;  Facsimile: .231.9438;  Data:  .231.9434  
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Sat, 25 Jul 1998 03:00:00 GMT  
 More cowardly forgeries from comp.lang.ada / "schonberg.cs.nyu.edu"
        For some guys it's cars, for others it's implants.
        For this guy, it's obviously seeing four consecutive
        copies of his own signature.

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Sat, 25 Jul 1998 03:00:00 GMT  
 More cowardly forgeries from comp.lang.ada / "schonberg.cs.nyu.edu"

Quote:

>The following forgery was posted to comp.lang.ada (and 22-usenet
>groups) and is attributed to schonberg.cs.nyu.edu.

>Clearly cowards in the Ada community could care less that the source
>of these forgeries traces back squarely to them.

>PATH:
>dimensional.com!imci2!news.internetMCI.com!suck-feed.internetmci.com!
>imci5!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!
>in2.uu.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.sprintlink.net!
>rockyd!cmcl2!schonberg!joe
>.............^^^^^^^^^

>NNTP-Posting-Host: schonberg.cs.nyu.edu
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Well, at least this time the forger spelled "cmcl2" correctly.

I assume this post is coming from one of the same sites it must have
come from last time.  There are other errors in the headers that rule
out the posting actually coming from schonberg.cs.nyu.edu, but I'm not
going to point them out or they'll be fixed the next time!

As I said last time, it's possible to track these things down by
checking log files at the intermediate sites, but there are so many
forged posting in USEnet nowadays that I doubt anybody at those sites
will want to spend the time.  All you'd know anyway is where it came
from, not who did it.

People should treat posts such as these the same way they treat
posts through the anonymous remailers.



Sat, 25 Jul 1998 03:00:00 GMT  
 More cowardly forgeries from comp.lang.ada / "schonberg.cs.nyu.edu"


| >The following forgery was posted to comp.lang.ada (and 22-usenet
| >groups) and is attributed to schonberg.cs.nyu.edu.
| >
| >Clearly cowards in the Ada community could care less that the source
| >of these forgeries traces back squarely to them.
| >
| >PATH:
| >dimensional.com!imci2!news.internetMCI.com!suck-feed.internetmci.com!
| >imci5!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!
| >in2.uu.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.sprintlink.net!
| >rockyd!cmcl2!schonberg!joe
| >.............^^^^^^^^^
| >
| >NNTP-Posting-Host: schonberg.cs.nyu.edu
| >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
| >

| >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|
| Well, at least this time the forger spelled "cmcl2" correctly.
|
| I assume this post is coming from one of the same sites it must have
| come from last time.  There are other errors in the headers that rule

.......................^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
| out the posting actually coming from schonberg.cs.nyu.edu, but I'm not
..^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
| going to point them out or they'll be fixed the next time!
..........................^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
..........................By whom, Kenner, you ?

That the forgeries are not emitting from NYU is mistaken;  see below.


Robert Dewar, Professor at NYU, as an example:

Path: ...!newsfeed.internetmci.com!
news.sprintlink.net!rockyd!cmcl2!schonberg!dewar
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

NNTP-Posting-Host: schonberg.cs.nyu.edu

Item 2:  Path from recent forgery from schonberg.cs.nyu.edu:

Path: ...!newsfeed.internetmci.com!
in1.uu.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!
news.sprintlink.net!rockyd!cmcl2!schonberg!joe
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
NNTP-Posting-Host: schonberg.cs.nyu.edu


accounts;  try fingering them and one gets real names ...

I believe NYU is responsible for the forgeries, which have been
reported multiple times to Mr Franceschini who has passed them to
NYU's computer security guy Tim O'Connor, who refuses to return
telephone calls (but who returns email complaints with "We can not
help you unless your ISP provides us with the article", which is
ridiculous when anyone can read the posted article themselves on any
of 22-usenet groups).

I also believe that NYU will be persuaded to do something about the
forgeries when they get socked for $4,000 for each one (there were
just two in the last two days), which is in process since NYU has
apparently refused to investigate.  We did obtain the name and address
of the agent for service of process at NYU yesterday.

[ opinion ]

| All you'd know anyway is where it came
| from, not who did it.

But that's good enough for me, because that's where the money is.

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CEC Services, 2080 Kipling St, Lakewood, CO  80215-1502   USA
Voice: 303.231.9437;  Facsimile: .231.9438;  Data:  .231.9434  
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Mon, 27 Jul 1998 03:00:00 GMT  
 More cowardly forgeries from comp.lang.ada / "schonberg.cs.nyu.edu"

Quote:


>Robert Dewar, Professor at NYU, as an example:

>Item 2:  Path from recent forgery from schonberg.cs.nyu.edu:

As I said, those two headers differ in a way that shows the message
didn't originate at schonberg.cs.nyu.edu, but if I say what that way
is, the next forgery will get them correct.

Quote:

>accounts;  try fingering them and one gets real names ...

So?  That machine is part of a large NIS domain.  What you can't see
is which of those are mail aliases and which are valid usernames but
can't log into that machine.

Quote:
>I believe NYU is responsible for the forgeries, which have been
>reported multiple times to Mr Franceschini who has passed them to
>NYU's computer security guy Tim O'Connor,

I've passed the latest forgery on to the Systems group at NYU myself,
but, as I said, tracing them is not likely to be possible.

Quote:
>| All you'd know anyway is where it came
>| from, not who did it.

>But that's good enough for me, because that's where the money is.

Really?  Suppose you found they were injected into the spool at uunet
(or some other backbone site) by some unknown person.  What then?


Mon, 27 Jul 1998 03:00:00 GMT  
 More cowardly forgeries from comp.lang.ada / "schonberg.cs.nyu.edu"

Quote:

>| As I said, those two headers differ in a way that shows the message
>| didn't originate at schonberg.cs.nyu.edu, but if I say what that way
>| is, the next forgery will get them correct.
>|

>I think your comments above are mistaken for the following reasons:

>I believe that the forgeries have stopped from schonberg.cs.nyu.edu
>after the long telephone call message I received at 8:05 PM 2/7/96
>from security personnel there, but not because of the reason(s) and
>attribution(s) proffered in that message.

There were exactly two forgeries that appeared to be from that
machine, at intervals of a few weeks.  So it's FAR to early to
conclude they've "stopped".

To me, at least, the style of both messages suggested they came from the
same person.

The first message, as you pointed out, did NOT come from an NYU machine
since it mispelled a router in the path.  I therefore conclude the second
did not as well.

Quote:
>I believe that the fact they have stopped is due to "somethings"
>having been changed at schonberg.cs.nyu.edu, eg, no more hackable


There were NEVER valid accounts of that form on any NYU machine.  These
are mail aliases only.  I am unaware of any configuration changes on
that machine.


Tue, 28 Jul 1998 03:00:00 GMT  
 More cowardly forgeries from comp.lang.ada / "schonberg.cs.nyu.edu"
[ this should be the final wrap up of this semi-off-topic thread ]


| As I said, those two headers differ in a way that shows the message
| didn't originate at schonberg.cs.nyu.edu, but if I say what that way
| is, the next forgery will get them correct.
|

I think your comments above are mistaken for the following reasons:

I believe that the forgeries have stopped from schonberg.cs.nyu.edu
after the long telephone call message I received at 8:05 PM 2/7/96
from security personnel there, but not because of the reason(s) and
attribution(s) proffered in that message.

I believe that the fact they have stopped is due to "somethings"
having been changed at schonberg.cs.nyu.edu, eg, no more hackable

In other words, if the forgeries stop coming from schonberg.cs.nyu.edu
then that means they were originally coming from, or associated with,
schonberg.cs.nyu.edu.

I also believe that I know who was posting them, and how to prove
that, as well, which I shall do if necessary and when appropriate.

I am also rather surprised that you would be so interested in this.

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CEC Services, 2080 Kipling St, Lakewood, CO  80215-1502   USA
Voice: 303.231.9437;  Facsimile: .231.9438;  Data:  .231.9434  
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Tue, 28 Jul 1998 03:00:00 GMT  
 
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