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 > After two weeks, Ada and Smalltalk seems to be the best languages.

My vote goes to the Turing Machine, for their raw execution speed.



Wed, 29 Mar 2000 03:00:00 GMT  
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> After two weeks, Ada and Smalltalk seems to be the best languages. If you
> don't thik so (or if you think so), vote on homepages.iprolink.ch/~lambercy

What a silly conclusion...


Wed, 29 Mar 2000 03:00:00 GMT  
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> > After two weeks, Ada and Smalltalk seems to be the best languages. If you
> > don't thik so (or if you think so), vote on homepages.iprolink.ch/~lambercy

> What a silly conclusion...

Indeed.  Please, Vincent, take as many votes as you can, but don't
call the most-voted-for language "best".  Call it "popular".


Thu, 30 Mar 2000 03:00:00 GMT  
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> After two weeks, Ada and Smalltalk seems to be the best languages. If you
> don't thik so (or if you think so), vote on homepages.iprolink.ch/~lambercy

        I could certainly live with Ada, but do you know if there's
a hardware synthesizer available for it ?  ;-)

Kind regards.

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Fri, 31 Mar 2000 03:00:00 GMT  
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> Indeed.  Please, Vincent, take as many votes as you can, but don't
> call the most-voted-for language "best".  Call it "popular".

Or "the most fanatically supported" - or whatever...

Followup set to all original newsgroups except comp.lang.idl-pvwave,
in the assumption that most people here are practical minded - not
religious - about their programming practices...

Stein Vidar



Fri, 31 Mar 2000 03:00:00 GMT  
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> > > After two weeks, Ada and Smalltalk seems to be the best languages. If you
> > > don't thik so (or if you think so), vote on homepages.iprolink.ch/~lambercy

> > What a silly conclusion...
> Indeed.  Please, Vincent, take as many votes as you can, but don't
> call the most-voted-for language "best".  Call it "popular".

Better still, call it "most popular among the programmers who read
Usenet comp.lang.* - groups"...


Fri, 31 Mar 2000 03:00:00 GMT  
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> After two weeks, Ada and Smalltalk seems to be the best languages. If you
> don't thik so (or if you think so), vote on homepages.iprolink.ch/~lambercy

Wow, what a crazy response! I can't comment on Smalltalk, but *Ada*! I
had the misfortune of using this awful language for two years. I am
forever grateful for having escaped into real programming with C++ (I
bet the use of the word "real" there will stir up a few angry
people). Productivity - 2-4 times Ada; ease of use - many, many times
Ada; code size - 1/2 or less that of Ada; speed of execution - 2-3
times Ada. It doesn't matter how you look at it, Ada is a barrier to
programming, not an aid.

I can only conclude that Ada programmers have lots of time to
participate in surveys whilst waiting for recompiles. Real
programmers are getting on with being creative... :-)

That's the end of my gripe - now back to the plot (VHDL,
remember...).

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Fri, 07 Apr 2000 03:00:00 GMT  
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> > After two weeks, Ada and Smalltalk seems to be the best languages. If you
> > don't thik so (or if you think so), vote on homepages.iprolink.ch/~lambercy

> Wow, what a crazy response! I can't comment on Smalltalk, but *Ada*! I
> had the misfortune of using this awful language for two years. I am
> forever grateful for having escaped into real programming with C++ (I
> bet the use of the word "real" there will stir up a few angry
> people). Productivity - 2-4 times Ada; ease of use - many, many times
> Ada; code size - 1/2 or less that of Ada; speed of execution - 2-3
> times Ada. It doesn't matter how you look at it, Ada is a barrier to
> programming, not an aid.

Although quite seriously off-topic, I take the liberty to answer. Not
in the last place because in the same sense you can substitute ADA by
VHDL and C by some other popular HDL.

How did you measure productivity ? Did you consider just the
 coding phase, or did you consider the whole lifecycle of the
 product ? (suggestion is deliberate ;-) )

How did you measure code size ? Did you consider all implicit ADA
 functionality in your comparison ? (suggestion...)

How did you measure speed of execution ? See above ...

Did you measure quality of result ?

Do you think it's plain stupidity that mission critical software
is written in ADA ? Or would people apply delibarately ADA and
other 'pure useless overhead' software engineering techniques
on such projects ?

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> I can only conclude that Ada programmers have lots of time to
> participate in surveys whilst waiting for recompiles. Real
> programmers are getting on with being creative... :-)

I think the creativity should be reserved for the design phase, which
is quite language independent. On coding one doesn't need to be
creative. Just correct.

Only my opinion ...

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