D3 Pro : ISAPI, NSAPI, CGI Support missing ?? 
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 D3 Pro : ISAPI, NSAPI, CGI Support missing ??

Is it true that ISAPI,NSAPI and CGI support is missing from D3
professional, despite being listed on box and features list ??

If so, is this a mistake or a bait and switch ?

I know you can still write an ISAPI dll without these features, but
the new TTableProvider etc. makes it easy.

I am getting C/S for work but was looking at getting the PRO version
for personal use.

Hope someone in marketing is reading this or is being told about it.

Care to respond Steve T, Borland ??

Nilesh



Wed, 18 Jun 1902 08:00:00 GMT  
 D3 Pro : ISAPI, NSAPI, CGI Support missing ??

Quote:

> Is it true that ISAPI,NSAPI and CGI support is missing from D3
> professional, despite being listed on box and features list ??

Look under source\rtl\win and you shall find the units in question (e.g.
nsapi.pas).

In C/S (and Prof?) there's also a web server application template which
will help you get started doing db CGIs...

--
Rune, my first post with the Netscape *beta*... I hope it looks ok!



Wed, 18 Jun 1902 08:00:00 GMT  
 D3 Pro : ISAPI, NSAPI, CGI Support missing ??

I was confused by the very same thing.  Nowhere in the documentation or in
any of the beta releases did Borland mention that some of the internet
stuff and multi-tier stuff would only be included w/ C/S and higher.  I had
to upgrade from Professional to C/S to get everything I needed.  It was
very confusing the way Borland presented the capabilities without
specifying which version contained which features.  It will be necessary
for you to upgrade to C/S for the features you need.

Matt Harward
FrontRunner Technologies



Quote:

> Is it true that ISAPI,NSAPI and CGI support is missing from D3
> professional, despite being listed on box and features list ??

> If so, is this a mistake or a bait and switch ?

> I know you can still write an ISAPI dll without these features, but
> the new TTableProvider etc. makes it easy.

> I am getting C/S for work but was looking at getting the PRO version
> for personal use.

> Nilesh



Wed, 18 Jun 1902 08:00:00 GMT  
 D3 Pro : ISAPI, NSAPI, CGI Support missing ??

Quote:

> I was confused by the very same thing.  Nowhere in the documentation or in
> any of the beta releases did Borland mention that some of the internet
> stuff and multi-tier stuff would only be included w/ C/S and higher.  I had
> to upgrade from Professional to C/S to get everything I needed.  It was
> very confusing the way Borland presented the capabilities without
> specifying which version contained which features.  It will be necessary
> for you to upgrade to C/S for the features you need.

> Matt Harward
> FrontRunner Technologies



> > Is it true that ISAPI,NSAPI and CGI support is missing from D3
> > professional, despite being listed on box and features list ??

> > If so, is this a mistake or a bait and switch ?

> > I know you can still write an ISAPI dll without these features, but
> > the new TTableProvider etc. makes it easy.

> > I am getting C/S for work but was looking at getting the PRO version
> > for personal use.

> > Nilesh

The Client/Server version of Delphi 3 contains Wizards and Components
for easily creating ISAPI/NSAPI Web Server extension DLLs (ISAPI = MS
Web Server extensions, NSAPI = Netscape Web Server extensions).

The Professional version of Delphi 3 was supposed to contain the units
(but not the Wizards and components) necessary for creating ISAPI and
NSAPI extensions, but were inadvertantly left out.  These units will be
placed on our website (www.borland.com) for download shortly.

David Powell
Senior Support Advisor
Delphi Developer Support
Borland International



Wed, 18 Jun 1902 08:00:00 GMT  
 D3 Pro : ISAPI, NSAPI, CGI Support missing ??

Nope, i have the D3 Pro version, and they are not in the
source\rtl\win directory.  in fact, i did a search for isapi*.*
and nsapi*.* on my harddrive starting at the root, and the only
file that came up was the Delphi 2.0 file isapi.pas!
-john


Quote:

>> Is it true that ISAPI,NSAPI and CGI support is missing from D3
>> professional, despite being listed on box and features list ??

>Look under source\rtl\win and you shall find the units in question (e.g.
>nsapi.pas).

>In C/S (and Prof?) there's also a web server application template which
>will help you get started doing db CGIs...

>--
>Rune, my first post with the Netscape *beta*... I hope it looks ok!



Wed, 18 Jun 1902 08:00:00 GMT  
 D3 Pro : ISAPI, NSAPI, CGI Support missing ??

All the promotional literature I've seen implies that there is no
difference in isapi/nsapi/cgi support between the professional and c/s
versions.  Now I learn that not only is this not true but Borland has
"inadvertently" left  out the units in D3Pro that would simplify this
type of development!  These are exactly the features that might just
enable me to convince management here to loosen the VB {*filter*}-hold on
c/s development and upgrade our few copies of D2.01 to D3.  It's going
to prove very difficult for me to persuade management to upgrade with
these features missing or crippled (we're a state institution with a
limited budget and there is no chance of upgrading to the c/s version).

Quote:

> The Client/Server version of Delphi 3 contains Wizards and Components
> for easily creating ISAPI/NSAPI Web Server extension DLLs (ISAPI = MS
> Web Server extensions, NSAPI = Netscape Web Server extensions).

> The Professional version of Delphi 3 was supposed to contain the units
> (but not the Wizards and components) necessary for creating ISAPI and
> NSAPI extensions, but were inadvertantly left out.  These units will be
> placed on our website (www.borland.com) for download shortly.

> David Powell
> Senior Support Advisor
> Delphi Developer Support
> Borland International

--
================================================
Ray Porter
Applications Analyst Programmer
Administrative Information Services, UNC-CH
Phone: 966-5878


Home Page: http://www.*-*-*.com/ ~allrp/

"Meddle not in the affairs of dragons,
for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup."



Wed, 18 Jun 1902 08:00:00 GMT  
 D3 Pro : ISAPI, NSAPI, CGI Support missing ??

  All the promotional literature I've seen implies that there is no
  difference in isapi/nsapi/cgi support between the professional and
  c/s
  versions.  Now I learn that not only is this not true but Borland
  has
  "inadvertently" left  out the units in D3Pro that would simplify
  this
  type of development!  These are exactly the features that might just

  enable me to convince management here to loosen the VB {*filter*}-hold
  on
  c/s development and upgrade our few copies of D2.01 to D3.  It's
  going
  to prove very difficult for me to persuade management to upgrade
  with
  these features missing or crippled (we're a state institution with a

  limited budget and there is no chance of upgrading to the c/s
  version).


  >
  > The Client/Server version of Delphi 3 contains Wizards and
  Components
  > for easily creating ISAPI/NSAPI Web Server extension DLLs (ISAPI =
  MS
  > Web Server extensions, NSAPI = Netscape Web Server extensions).
  >
  > The Professional version of Delphi 3 was supposed to contain the
  units
  > (but not the Wizards and components) necessary for creating ISAPI
  and
  > NSAPI extensions, but were inadvertantly left out.  These units
  will be
  > placed on our website (www.borland.com) for download shortly.
  >
  > David Powell
  > Senior Support Advisor
  > Delphi Developer Support
  > Borland International

  --
  ================================================
  Ray Porter
  Applications Analyst Programmer
  Administrative Information Services, UNC-CH
  Phone: 966-5878


  Home Page: http://www.*-*-*.com/ ~allrp/

  "Meddle not in the affairs of dragons,
  for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup."

 Ray,

It was a simple oversight.  As David indicated, we will be placing the
appropriate files on the web-site for download.  The units are not
crippled in any way.  However, we provide additional time saving tools
for building this type of application in Delphi Client/Server.

I hope that whichever SKU of Delphi that you use, that it will be
beneficial in moving Visual Basic out of your organization.

Mike Destein
Product Mgr.,
Borland



Wed, 18 Jun 1902 08:00:00 GMT  
 D3 Pro : ISAPI, NSAPI, CGI Support missing ??

Mike,
Thanks for your response.  I also got email from Steve T. about the
oversight.  This seems like a pretty big snafu to me and I also still
think the promotional literature I've seen is somewhat misleading (even
back to the D3 lecture from the BDC posted on your web site).  It would
help if Borland reps clearly differentiated between the feature set of
the various versions when ever they speak in any situation where
confusion might arise.

Having said that, I certainly intend to purchase my personal copy of
D3Pro and will continue to work on persuading management to permit a
wider use of Delphi in application development.  If I can get
permission, I intend to rewrite a major c/s decision support tool I
wrote in Delphi once we have D3 (I have to wait for D3 since
reading/writing  MS Access databases as well as ODBC to Sybase are
absolutely essential).  In the meantime, I intend to purchase my
personal copy of D3Pro as soon as our academic reseller here on campus
can get a copy (unfortunately they tell me it may be several months
since they have never heard of the Delphi 3 release!).  Maybe I'll
contact Borland today and see if I can buy at the academic discount
direct from you guys?

Quote:


>   All the promotional literature I've seen implies that there is no
>   difference in isapi/nsapi/cgi support between the professional and
>   c/s
>   versions.  Now I learn that not only is this not true but Borland
>   has
>   "inadvertently" left  out the units in D3Pro that would simplify
>   this
>   type of development!  These are exactly the features that might just

>   enable me to convince management here to loosen the VB {*filter*}-hold
>   on
>   c/s development and upgrade our few copies of D2.01 to D3.  It's
>   going
>   to prove very difficult for me to persuade management to upgrade
>   with
>   these features missing or crippled (we're a state institution with a

>   limited budget and there is no chance of upgrading to the c/s
>   version).


>   > The Client/Server version of Delphi 3 contains Wizards and
>   Components
>   > for easily creating ISAPI/NSAPI Web Server extension DLLs (ISAPI =
>   MS
>   > Web Server extensions, NSAPI = Netscape Web Server extensions).

>   > The Professional version of Delphi 3 was supposed to contain the
>   units
>   > (but not the Wizards and components) necessary for creating ISAPI
>   and
>   > NSAPI extensions, but were inadvertantly left out.  These units
>   will be
>   > placed on our website (www.borland.com) for download shortly.

>   > David Powell
>   > Senior Support Advisor
>   > Delphi Developer Support
>   > Borland International

>   --
>   ================================================
>   Ray Porter
>   Applications Analyst Programmer
>   Administrative Information Services, UNC-CH
>   Phone: 966-5878


>   Home Page: http://www.*-*-*.com/ ~allrp/

>   "Meddle not in the affairs of dragons,
>   for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup."

>  Ray,

> It was a simple oversight.  As David indicated, we will be placing the
> appropriate files on the web-site for download.  The units are not
> crippled in any way.  However, we provide additional time saving tools
> for building this type of application in Delphi Client/Server.

> I hope that whichever SKU of Delphi that you use, that it will be
> beneficial in moving Visual Basic out of your organization.

> Mike Destein
> Product Mgr.,
> Borland

--
================================================
Ray Porter
Applications Analyst Programmer
Administrative Information Services, UNC-CH
Phone: 966-5878


Home Page: http://www.*-*-*.com/ ~allrp/

"Meddle not in the affairs of dragons,
for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup."



Wed, 18 Jun 1902 08:00:00 GMT  
 D3 Pro : ISAPI, NSAPI, CGI Support missing ??

Quote:

> Nope, i have the D3 Pro version, and they are not in the
> source\rtl\win directory.  in fact, i did a search for isapi*.*
> and nsapi*.* on my harddrive starting at the root, and the only
> file that came up was the Delphi 2.0 file isapi.pas!
> -john



> >> Is it true that ISAPI,NSAPI and CGI support is missing from D3
> >> professional, despite being listed on box and features list ??

> >Look under source\rtl\win and you shall find the units in question (e.g.
> >nsapi.pas).

For what it is worth, I picked this up from Dr. Bob's area and it may be
of interest to this thread.
--
The Client/Server version of Delphi 3 contains Wizards and Components
for easily
creating ISAPI/NSAPI Web Server extension DLLs (ISAPI = MS Web Server
extensions, NSAPI = Netscape Web Server extensions).
The Professional version of Delphi 3 was supposed to contain the units
(but not the
Wizards and components) necessary for creating ISAPI and NSAPI
extensions, but
were inadvertantly left out. These units will be placed on Borland's
website for
download shortly.

David Powell, Senior Support Advisor
Delphi Developer Support, Borland International

--
Regards,

Eduardo A. Salgado
//Translating Your Words Into Your Profits




Wed, 18 Jun 1902 08:00:00 GMT  
 D3 Pro : ISAPI, NSAPI, CGI Support missing ??



Quote:
> Is it true that ISAPI,NSAPI and CGI support is missing from D3
> professional, despite being listed on box and features list ??

> If so, is this a mistake or a bait and switch ?

> I know you can still write an ISAPI dll without these features, but
> the new TTableProvider etc. makes it easy.

> I am getting C/S for work but was looking at getting the PRO version
> for personal use.

> Hope someone in marketing is reading this or is being told about it.

> Care to respond Steve T, Borland ??

This had better be a mistake, because the letter from Borland offering me
the upgrade clearly states (among the features of Delphi 3 Professional):
"Full support for industry standards, including Windows 95, Windows NT, the
Win32 API, multi-threading, ISAPI, NSAPI, COM, DCOM, and more."

So if ISAPI/NSAPI *full* support is missing, the box is going back.
Collect.

Ron Sharp.



Wed, 18 Jun 1902 08:00:00 GMT  
 D3 Pro : ISAPI, NSAPI, CGI Support missing ??



Quote:


> > Is it true that ISAPI,NSAPI and CGI support is missing from D3
> > professional, despite being listed on box and features list ??

From the feature matrix on Borland's web site, the only ISAPI/NSAPI support
missing from Pro is the connection to Web Broker--and that's reasonable,
since Web Broker doesn't come with Pro.

http://www.borland.com/delphi/skumulti.html

It looks like general ISAPI/NSAPI support is part of Standard and Pro.
"Complete access to the Win32 API, ActiveX, Multi-threading, OLE, COM,
DCOM, MAPI, ISAPI, NSAPI"--That'd better not mean "If you're really
deperate and good and have the time, you can roll your own" :)

Can anyone who has Delphi 3 confirm that ISAPI/NSAPI DLL support comes with
Pro? (ISAPI wizard as well?)

Ron Sharp.



Wed, 18 Jun 1902 08:00:00 GMT  
 D3 Pro : ISAPI, NSAPI, CGI Support missing ??



  > Is it true that ISAPI,NSAPI and CGI support is missing from D3
  > professional, despite being listed on box and features list ??
  >
  > If so, is this a mistake or a bait and switch ?
  >
  > I know you can still write an ISAPI dll without these features,
  but
  > the new TTableProvider etc. makes it easy.
  >
  > I am getting C/S for work but was looking at getting the PRO
  version
  > for personal use.
  >
  > Hope someone in marketing is reading this or is being told about
  it.
  >
  > Care to respond Steve T, Borland ??

  This had better be a mistake, because the letter from Borland
  offering me
  the upgrade clearly states (among the features of Delphi 3
  Professional):
  "Full support for industry standards, including Windows 95, Windows
  NT, the
  Win32 API, multi-threading, ISAPI, NSAPI, COM, DCOM, and more."

  So if ISAPI/NSAPI *full* support is missing, the box is going back.
  Collect.

  Ron Sharp.

 Ron,

There was a mistake in which files we included with the Pro version.  We
inadvertantly forgot to include the units that declared the ISAPI and
NSAPI layers. ?We are putting those on our web site for download.

So with this quick download, you will have the support for ISAPI?and
NSAPI that we advertised.

Sorry for the inconvenience,

Mike Destein
Product Mgr.,
Borland



Wed, 18 Jun 1902 08:00:00 GMT  
 D3 Pro : ISAPI, NSAPI, CGI Support missing ??

Quote:

> It was a simple oversight.  As David indicated, we will be placing the
> appropriate files on the web-site for download.  The units are not
> crippled in any way.  However, we provide additional time saving tools
> for building this type of application in Delphi Client/Server.

> I hope that whichever SKU of Delphi that you use, that it will be
> beneficial in moving Visual Basic out of your organization.

> Mike Destein
> Product Mgr.,
> Borland

I have downloaded the .PAS files off the web site, these are raw headers.
So where are INET30.DPL and INETBD30.DPL that are listed as redistributable
with the Pro version?


Wed, 18 Jun 1902 08:00:00 GMT  
 D3 Pro : ISAPI, NSAPI, CGI Support missing ??

There are only 3 .PAS "header" files on the web site (ISAPI.PAS, ISAPI2.PAS
and NSAPI.PAS). 2 files called INET30.DPL and INETDB30.DPL are listed as
redistributable in deploy.txt for the Pro version but are nowhere on the
Pro CD. Where are these files? can you compile the above .PAS files somehow
into the missing .DPL files?



Wed, 18 Jun 1902 08:00:00 GMT  
 D3 Pro : ISAPI, NSAPI, CGI Support missing ??

On 27 May 1997 01:03:14 GMT, "Fernand Raynaud"

Quote:

>> It was a simple oversight.  As David indicated, we will be placing the
>> appropriate files on the web-site for download.  The units are not
>> crippled in any way.  However, we provide additional time saving tools
>> for building this type of application in Delphi Client/Server.

>> I hope that whichever SKU of Delphi that you use, that it will be
>> beneficial in moving Visual Basic out of your organization.

>> Mike Destein
>> Product Mgr.,
>> Borland

>I have downloaded the .PAS files off the web site, these are raw headers.
>So where are INET30.DPL and INETBD30.DPL that are listed as redistributable
>with the Pro version?

Contrary to what Mr. Destein wrote, this was not a simple oversight,
but a major marketing blunder. D3 Pro does not come with any of the
Web Server support components and wizards. Instead, you must buy D3
Client/Server to get the web server support. I hope that everyone who
disagrees with this policy will write to Borland. If enough of us
complain, perhaps Borland will pay attention.

--
Ray Lischner            
Author of Secrets of Delphi 2 (http://www.tempest-sw.com/secrets/)



Wed, 18 Jun 1902 08:00:00 GMT  
 
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