>"Java Bubble"

>Java is a mediocre computer language, it is remarkably weak by
>comparison and it takes a long time to get any work done, that is, IF
>you can get it installed properly. Millions of people foolishly flocked
>to the use of Java during the Internet bubble of the late 90s. However,
>there are recent signs that the Java bubble has burst as well.

>>"Java Bubble"

>>Java is a mediocre computer language, it is remarkably weak by
>>comparison and it takes a long time to get any work done, that is, IF
>>you can get it installed properly. Millions of people foolishly flocked
>>to the use of Java during the Internet bubble of the late 90s. However,
>>there are recent signs that the Java bubble has burst as well.

> Smalltalk is a great language, and deserves better than this kind of
> silly 'Java envy'.  There is absolutely no sign of any decrease in Java
> use - quite the reverse.  It increasingly looks like Java will become
> the most widely used development language within a couple of years.

> Smalltalk sellers should learn from Java - constant rubbishing of Java
> combined with self-delusion about the state of the software market does
> no one any good.

> Steve

> Smalltalk sellers should learn from Java - constant rubbishing of Java
> combined with self-delusion about the state of the software market
> does no one any good.

>>"Java Bubble"

>>Java is a mediocre computer language, it is remarkably weak by
>>comparison and it takes a long time to get any work done, that is, IF
>>you can get it installed properly. Millions of people foolishly flocked
>>to the use of Java during the Internet bubble of the late 90s. However,
>>there are recent signs that the Java bubble has burst as well.

> Smalltalk is a great language, and deserves better than this kind of
> silly 'Java envy'.  There is absolutely no sign of any decrease in
> Java use - quite the reverse.  It increasingly looks like Java will become
> the most widely used development language within a couple of years.

> Smalltalk sellers should learn from Java - constant rubbishing of Java
> combined with self-delusion about the state of the software market
> does no one any good.

> Steve

> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

> December 27, 2001

> New Commercial Software Product Developed Using Smalltalk

> SunT Microsystems'JavaT language (NasdaqNM:SUNW) loses out to Little
> Known Programming Language

> Raleigh, NC - SCG Associates LLC (SCG), a boutique Software Development
> company based in North Carolina, formally launched TradePerformanceT
> Version 1.0 this week. TradePerformanceT is a full life-cycle management
> tool for stock market investors, offering planning, management,
> tracking, record keeping and tax reporting features in an intuitive,
> easy to use and graphically pleasing package. (See
> http://www.TradePerformance.com for further details). All these features
> were delivered using the Smalltalk Programming language

> "Maximizing Programmer Productivity Seen as Key"

> "Even though Smalltalk is over twenty years old, it is still the best
> language available for maximizing programmer productivity. In our world,
> programmer productivity and time to market are critical to staying
> ahead. Instead of struggling with the nit-picky rules and unimaginably
> complex details imposed by Java, Smalltalk allows our programmers to
> focus on the business problem which gets our jobs done faster." Steve
> Geringer, Chief Executive Officer said.

> "Like Rubbing Two Sticks Together"

> "Using Java was like rubbing two sticks together. With Java, it's a
> miracle any new systems get built at all. Sometimes, it takes an act of
> Congress just to get a clean compile. Our programmers were practically
> throwing themselves off the roof, and some had to enter a rehab clinic
> after working with Java." Steve Geringer, Chief Executive Officer adds.

> Smalltalk is a language for computer software construction that was
> pioneered at the Xeroxa Palo Alto Research Center (NYSE:XRX). It is the
> progenitor of all Object Oriented Languages on the market today
> including Java, C++ etc. Many excellent Smalltalk ideas were taken and
> redone in a crummy way in Java.

> "Java Bubble"

> Java is a mediocre computer language, it is remarkably weak by
> comparison and it takes a long time to get any work done, that is, IF
> you can get it installed properly. Millions of people foolishly flocked
> to the use of Java during the Internet bubble of the late 90's. However,
> there are recent signs that the Java bubble has burst as well.

> Established in 1995, SCG has delivered Smalltalk based products and
> services to companies in industries such as insurance, banking and
> financial, and telecommunications. For more information about
> TradePerformanceT, please visit the product's website at:
> http://www.TradePerformance.com

> TradePerformance is a Trademark of SCG Associates, LLC. Sun, Sun
> Microsystems, and Java, are trademarks or registered trademarks of Sun
> Microsystems, Inc. in the United States and other countries. Xerox is a
> registered trademark of Xerox Corporation in the United States and other
> countries. The names of actual companies and products mentioned herein
> may be the trademarks of their respective owners.

> ###

>>>"Java Bubble"

>>>Java is a mediocre computer language, it is remarkably weak by
>>>comparison and it takes a long time to get any work done, that is, IF
>>>you can get it installed properly. Millions of people foolishly flocked
>>>to the use of Java during the Internet bubble of the late 90s. However,
>>>there are recent signs that the Java bubble has burst as well.

>> Smalltalk is a great language, and deserves better than this kind of
>> silly 'Java envy'.  There is absolutely no sign of any decrease in
>> Java use - quite the reverse.  It increasingly looks like Java will become
>> the most widely used development language within a couple of years.

>I doubt it - Java use has peaked, and will now be challenged by C#.  The
>next fad has hit the industry, as I long assumed it would

>> Smalltalk sellers should learn from Java - constant rubbishing of Java
>> combined with self-delusion about the state of the software market
>> does no one any good.

>> Steve

>>I doubt it - Java use has peaked, and will now be challenged by C#.  The
>>next fad has hit the industry, as I long assumed it would

> You are virtually alone on this position.  It will be interesting to see
> exactly *how* Java is going to be challenged by C#, as Java is thriving on
> the server market, in which Microsoft is a minority player.  

>>>Smalltalk sellers should learn from Java - constant rubbishing of Java
>>>combined with self-delusion about the state of the software market
>>>does no one any good.

>>>Steve

>>>>Smalltalk is a great language, and deserves better than this kind of
>>>>silly 'Java envy'.  There is absolutely no sign of any decrease in
>>>>Java use - quite the reverse.  It increasingly looks like Java will become
>>>>the most widely used development language within a couple of years.

>>>I doubt it - Java use has peaked, and will now be challenged by C#.  The
>>>next fad has hit the industry, as I long assumed it would

>> You are virtually alone on this position.  It will be interesting to see
>> exactly *how* Java is going to be challenged by C#, as Java is thriving on
>> the server market, in which Microsoft is a minority player.  

>I am?  Have you read any trade rags lately?  Have you asked Java people
>how easy it is to do Web Services stuff dynamically in Java?  The
>leading edge of the C# push is apparent in the press, just as the
>leading edge of the Java push was apparent by late 1995.

>>>>Smalltalk sellers should learn from Java - constant rubbishing of Java
>>>>combined with self-delusion about the state of the software market
>>>>does no one any good.

>>>>Steve

>So, Robert is into ST, then?

>>>>>Smalltalk is a great language, and deserves better than this kind of
>>>>>silly 'Java envy'.  There is absolutely no sign of any decrease in
>>>>>Java use - quite the reverse.  It increasingly looks like Java will become
>>>>>the most widely used development language within a couple of years.

>>>>I doubt it - Java use has peaked, and will now be challenged by C#.  The
>>>>next fad has hit the industry, as I long assumed it would

>>>You are virtually alone on this position.  It will be interesting to see
>>>exactly *how* Java is going to be challenged by C#, as Java is thriving on
>>>the server market, in which Microsoft is a minority player.  

>>I am?  Have you read any trade rags lately?  Have you asked Java people
>>how easy it is to do Web Services stuff dynamically in Java?  The
>>leading edge of the C# push is apparent in the press, just as the
>>leading edge of the Java push was apparent by late 1995.

> Yes - reading the trade mags is part of my job.   The consensus is
> that C# is anything but leading edge - its simply a Java clone
> designed to tie people into microsoft platforms.  The real growth
> area in the IT industry is the adoption of Linux, an area in which
> Java (and Smalltalk) can thrive, but in which C# will struggle
> unless Microsoft provide portable libraries.

> As for web services and Java - you can do some pretty amazing things,
> especially with a good app server like JBoss (which is free).  Point
> me at a currently running web service of any kind written using .Net and
> C# that is anything more than at beta level, and runs on anything but
> a MS platform.  Also there is nothing special about C#/Net web services-
> communication between machines is in XML, which anything can use.

>> Smalltalk will continue its slow, steady growth - perhaps
>>being helped by SmallScript, which is on .NET.  I also expect that some
>>of the Windows specific Smalltalks will start targeting .NET as their
>>base runtime environment

> I hope Smalltalk does continue its growth, but not at the expense of
> platform dependence by following .Net.  After all, what is the point of
> targetting a VM/bytecode system that is likely to be limited to
> Windows?

>>>>>Smalltalk sellers should learn from Java - constant rubbishing of Java
>>>>>combined with self-delusion about the state of the software market
>>>>>does no one any good.

>>>>>Steve

>>Well BFD. All in the development world has known this for quite sometime.
>>The only problem is AISI (as I see it). Smalltalk has lack of marketing.
>>And,
>>marketing requires deniro.

> I suppose you meant dinero (money in Spanish). AFAIK Deniro is a famous
> actor.

> Marketing is the science that studies markets. Publicity is add real space,
> eye ball real space and is what need most of the dinero.

>>But... I still have my deniro on VW and Cincom.
>>Hopefully the "powers that be" at Cincom will take notice of the Sun MIC.
>>strategies and
>>the way it has pushed Java all over the world.

> Java is free unless you want to do some serious development (which happens
> in most big companies). Then an enterprise edition of whatever development
> enviroment is around 3000 bucks per seat.

>>Tout solving business issues
>>first. We know the technology is superior. The technology issues will take
>>care
>>of themsevles. But, in order to make this happen. Licensing issues will

> have

>>to evolve as well.

> All basic versions of the development environments should be almost for
> free. You should be able to grab a VW app and compile it and run it in VA.
> Unless that happens overnight, I see one big Java language fighting against
> very small Smalltalks.

> There should be a Standard Smalltalk like there is a Standard Unix (Posix).
> Let us call it Potalk for the sake of simplicity. Potalk would have
> different versions, we can assume VA 2004 will be Potalk 2003 compatible and
> VW 2005 will be also Potalk 2003 compatible.  It would mean you could take a
> bytecode generated with a Potalk 2003 compatible development enviroment and
> run it in any Potalk 2003 compatible runtime enviroment.

> The class hierarchy should be the same, the methods should be the same, the
> bytecode should be the same. The runtime enviroment then could optimize the
> bytecode before running, but the development enviroment should be
> equivalent.

> In Unix you can create Posix compliant programs or you can use OS specific
> calls. I bet the same could be true with Smalltalk. Each class could declare
> itself as Potalk compliant and there could be a PotalkVerifier object that
> searches the class hierarchy verifying a product to be Potalk compliant.