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Christopher Brow #1 / 12
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>> I in particular like the freedom of such things as Tcl/Tk (executables? >> What executables? :-) ), but there are so many other things to choose >> from: Gtk++, Java, Smalltalk (I think), Motif/Notif/Lesstif, and >> even good old Athena (it's old, but reliable) and curses (light footprint, >> but limited graphics). >As an aside, SuSE comes with smalltalk. Just so's you know :)
Which implementation? - GNU Smalltalk? I don't think this one includes class libraries for graphical interfaces. - Squeak? Cool... - VisualWorks Smalltalk? [Grumblings about it "not really being free" omitted...] -- Wow! Windows now can do everything using shared library DLLs, just like Multics did back in the 1960s! Maybe someday they'll discover separate processes and pipes, which came out in the 1970s!
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Marten Feldtman #2 / 12
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> >> from: Gtk++, Java, Smalltalk (I think), Motif/Notif/Lesstif, and > >> even good old Athena (it's old, but reliable) and curses (light footprint, > >> but limited graphics). > >As an aside, SuSE comes with smalltalk. Just so's you know :) > Which implementation? > - GNU Smalltalk? > I don't think this one includes class libraries for graphical > interfaces. > - Squeak? > Cool... > - VisualWorks Smalltalk? > [Grumblings about it "not really being free" omitted...]
Do not forget Smalltalk/X (from www.exept.de) under Linux ! Marten
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Christopher B. Brow #3 / 12
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>> >> from: Gtk++, Java, Smalltalk (I think), Motif/Notif/Lesstif, and >> >> even good old Athena (it's old, but reliable) and curses (light footprint, >> >> but limited graphics). >> >As an aside, SuSE comes with smalltalk. Just so's you know :) >> Which implementation? >> - GNU Smalltalk? >> I don't think this one includes class libraries for graphical >> interfaces. >> - Squeak? >> Cool... >> - VisualWorks Smalltalk? >> [Grumblings about it "not really being free" omitted...] >Do not forget Smalltalk/X (from www.exept.de) under Linux !
So which one is included with SuSE? -- Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. -- Henry Spencer <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
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James A. Robertso #4 / 12
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just out of curiousity; if VisualWorks were free, how do you suppose that ObjectShare would stay in business with it ? Even RedHat sells their (value added) Linux distribution. Free is great, until you realize that lack of corporate sponsorship also means lack of commercial adoption... Quote:
> - VisualWorks Smalltalk? > [Grumblings about it "not really being free" omitted...] > -- > Wow! Windows now can do everything using shared library DLLs, just > like Multics did back in the 1960s! Maybe someday they'll discover > separate processes and pipes, which came out in the 1970s!
-- <Talk Small and carry a Big Class Library> Opinions expressed are mine alone, and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer
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Simon Kinaha #5 / 12
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> just out of curiousity; if VisualWorks were free, how do you suppose that > ObjectShare would stay in business with it ? Even RedHat sells their (value > added) Linux distribution. Free is great, until you realize that lack of > corporate sponsorship also means lack of commercial adoption...
Redhat ad ObjectShare are in different businesses. ObjectShare sells software they wrote themselves, therefore if they drop their rights to their IP they're in bug trouble. Redhat packages software written by other people, and what they primarily give people is peace of mind. Corporate 'sponsorship' is important to different people in different ways. Simon
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Joseph Bacanska #6 / 12
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Hi: Haven't used SuSE yet, but I have VisualWorks NC and Commercial working fine in Caldera as well as RedHat. Since Caldera uses older glibc libraries, I had to use the _library work around_ posted on ObjectShare's website. If SuSE uses the same glibc as RedHat, it should work _out of the box_. Otherwise, I'm fairly certain that the _library work around_ would fix the problem. BTW - If I read the VWNC license correctly, VWNC is free, provided you don't sell the resulting software. And since you are obviously a supporter of free software, you wouldn't be charging for the software you create, right? No double standard, right? Quote:
> >> I in particular like the freedom of such things as Tcl/Tk (executables? > >> What executables? :-) ), but there are so many other things to choose > >> from: Gtk++, Java, Smalltalk (I think), Motif/Notif/Lesstif, and > >> even good old Athena (it's old, but reliable) and curses (light footprint, > >> but limited graphics). > >As an aside, SuSE comes with smalltalk. Just so's you know :) > Which implementation? > - GNU Smalltalk? > I don't think this one includes class libraries for graphical > interfaces. > - Squeak? > Cool... > - VisualWorks Smalltalk? > [Grumblings about it "not really being free" omitted...] > -- > Wow! Windows now can do everything using shared library DLLs, just > like Multics did back in the 1960s! Maybe someday they'll discover > separate processes and pipes, which came out in the 1970s!
-- Thanks!!! Joseph Bacanskas, Lead Software Engineer Mutual Travel 1201 Third Avenue Suite 1800 Seattle, WA 98101 USA v: 206-676-4993 f: 206-676-4666
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Bill McCla #7 / 12
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Quote: > So which one is included with SuSE?
GNU Smalltalk is the only one I see in 6.0. The description mentions X interface class "stix", but I have not looked at it. -Bill
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sev.. #8 / 12
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Quote: > Hi: > Haven't used SuSE yet, but I have VisualWorks NC and Commercial working fine in > Caldera as well as RedHat. Since Caldera uses older glibc libraries, I had to > use the _library work around_ posted on ObjectShare's website. If SuSE uses the > same glibc as RedHat, it should work _out of the box_. Otherwise, I'm fairly > certain that the _library work around_ would fix the problem.
So far as I can tell, Suse 6.0 does. I think. -- ____________________________________________________________________
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sev.. #9 / 12
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>>> >> from: Gtk++, Java, Smalltalk (I think), Motif/Notif/Lesstif, and >>> >> even good old Athena (it's old, but reliable) and curses (light footprint, >>> >> but limited graphics). >>> >As an aside, SuSE comes with smalltalk. Just so's you know :) >>> Which implementation? >>> - GNU Smalltalk? >>> I don't think this one includes class libraries for graphical >>> interfaces. >>> - Squeak? >>> Cool... >>> - VisualWorks Smalltalk? >>> [Grumblings about it "not really being free" omitted...] >>Do not forget Smalltalk/X (from www.exept.de) under Linux ! > So which one is included with SuSE?
Hang on a sec, I'll just look... <Rummaging on installation CD's> GNU Smalltalk, FWIW. -- ____________________________________________________________________
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peter hatc #10 / 12
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> > Hi: > > Haven't used SuSE yet, but I have VisualWorks NC and Commercial working fine in > > Caldera as well as RedHat. Since Caldera uses older glibc libraries, I had to > > use the _library work around_ posted on ObjectShare's website. If SuSE uses the > > same glibc as RedHat, it should work _out of the box_. Otherwise, I'm fairly > > certain that the _library work around_ would fix the problem. > So far as I can tell, Suse 6.0 does. > I think.
Yes it does. And, "yes" VisualWorks will run on SuSE 6.0. The only problem with the older versions was that they weren't glibc2-based and VisualWorks is compiled against glibc2 (since that's the way the trend went). But, SuSE 6.0 has the correct versions of the 6 system libraries that VW connects to. It will also work on Pacific HiTech's Turbo Linux 3.0.1. And Zentropix. Caldera too. But those are the only ones I've got here. Cheers, pete Quote: > -- > ____________________________________________________________________
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Robb Shecte #11 / 12
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> >...Do not forget Smalltalk/X (from www.exept.de) under Linux ! > So which one is included with SuSE?
I've got the "Suse January 1999 Snapshot", and it comes with Smalltalk/X. I haven't tried it out yet to see what version it is, whether it's lamed or not (because its normally an expensive product), etc. - Robb
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Stefan Matthias Au #12 / 12
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>And, "yes" VisualWorks will run on SuSE 6.0.
It also runs on SuSE 5.3 if you install the glib compatibitily pack. bye -- Stefan Matthias Aust // ...and now something completely different
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