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The Schutt Famil #1 / 10
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We are using TP 7.0 on IBM mod30 286 for grade 10 programming. Some of the students in class have complained that while they are keying in their programs, the editor cannot keep up with their fingers. Every keystroke causes the HD to read or write, slowing down the editing process. Has any had this happen? Can anyone tell me whats going on? Thanks muchly, Tim Schutt
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Anco Scholte ter Hors #2 / 10
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How much memmory is in this machine? Your computer looks like a real minimum system for bp7. Cheers, Anco.
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Wed, 18 Jun 1902 08:00:00 GMT |
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Scott Earnes #3 / 10
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Quote: > How much memmory is in this machine? Your computer looks like a real > minimum system for bp7. > Cheers, > Anco.
Um, Anco, I don't mean to be a real stickler for details, but the original author said it was TP7, not BP7. TP7 should run, albeit slowly, on a 8086, and doesn't have the 2MB requirement that BP7 has. BTW, I've posted information about this from my own personal experience of running TP7 on a 286AT/12, which happened to have only 1MB memory. It offers at least one real solution to the problem. (Actually, the described problem seems to happens on all computers, it's just much more noticeable and annoying on slower computers.) -- Scott Earnest | _,-""-_,-""-_,-""-_,-""-_,-""-_,-" |
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Wed, 18 Jun 1902 08:00:00 GMT |
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Greg Shuber #4 / 10
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> We are using TP 7.0 on IBM mod30 286 for grade 10 programming. Some of > the students in class have complained that while they are keying in > their programs, the editor cannot keep up with their fingers. Every > keystroke causes the HD to read or write, slowing down the editing > process. Has any had this happen? Can anyone tell me whats going on? > Thanks muchly, Tim Schutt
When I used TP 7.0 on a 286/8-MHz machine, I noticed delays between typing and text appearing on the screen when I had color syntaxing turned on. When I turned color syntaxing off, the performance was about the same as TP 6.0. --
Standard disclaimer: not necessarily the views of Manpower, HP, etc.
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Scott Earnes #5 / 10
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Quote:
> We are using TP 7.0 on IBM mod30 286 for grade 10 programming. Some of > the students in class have complained that while they are keying in > their programs, the editor cannot keep up with their fingers. Every > keystroke causes the HD to read or write, slowing down the editing > process. Has any had this happen? Can anyone tell me whats going on? > Thanks muchly, Tim Schutt
Two things, likely. First use the standard MODE program that comes with DOS to increase the typematic rate. This helps a little. Second, back when I was using TP7 on my 286, I noticed that it had a quirk. It swaps memory to the hard drive and uses it for scratch work after you've compiled a program or unit. If I recall correctly, if you continue editing the source of the program you just compiled, it doesn't run the drive. But if you work on a different source listing, it starts churning away. There are two ways I can think of to fix this -- one tested, one untested. First, the tested way -- go into the menu and select File|Dos Shell. This will start a DOS session and flush out TP. Type "exit" to return to the IDE. The drive will run a bit more, but after a couple seconds it will stop lagging. Second, the untested way. Create a little do-nothing program, like: program flush_tp; begin end. Compile it and save it. Under options, create a tool for it and bind it to a keypress. Label the tool something like "Refresh TP". It's possible that running an external program may have the same effect. Oh, and don't forget that, in order to make a tool permanent, you'll need to save your options. Otherwise, the tool won't be saved the next time you run TURBO.EXE. -- Scott Earnest | _,-""-_,-""-_,-""-_,-""-_,-""-_,-" |
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myacco.. #6 / 10
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Quote: >We are using TP 7.0 on IBM mod30 286 for grade 10 programming. Some of
>the students in class have complained that while they are keying in
>their programs, the editor cannot keep up with their fingers. Every
>keystroke causes the HD to read or write, slowing down the editing
>process. Has any had this happen? Can anyone tell me whats going on?
>Thanks muchly, Tim Schutt
1) There's a feature how to solve this problem. When the editor works slowly and accesses the disk all the time, press F9 (compile) and then Ctrl-Break to stop compiling. This thing helped my greatly!
2) Check your IDE for settings of Window Heap Size, Overlay Size (Options|Preferences|Startup).
Regards,
Alex.
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M.V. van der St #7 / 10
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> We are using TP 7.0 on IBM mod30 286 for grade 10 programming. Some of > the students in class have complained that while they are keying in > their programs, the editor cannot keep up with their fingers. Every > keystroke causes the HD to read or write, slowing down the editing > process. Has any had this happen? Can anyone tell me whats going on? > Thanks muchly, Tim Schutt
Perhaps you can install a small disk cache (smartdrv,etc.). That should take care of most of the disk-access. Beware however : if a program crashes the computer before the disk cache contents is written to the disk, source code may be lost (try read-only disk caching).
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Wed, 18 Jun 1902 08:00:00 GMT |
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Ronny Marinuss #8 / 10
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> > We are using TP 7.0 on IBM mod30 286 for grade 10 programming. Some of > > the students in class have complained that while they are keying in > > their programs, the editor cannot keep up with their fingers. Every > > keystroke causes the HD to read or write, slowing down the editing > > process. Has any had this happen? Can anyone tell me whats going on? > > Thanks muchly, Tim Schutt > When I used TP 7.0 on a 286/8-MHz machine, I noticed delays between > typing and text appearing on the screen when I had color syntaxing > turned on. When I turned color syntaxing off, the performance was > about the same as TP 6.0. > --
> Standard disclaimer: not necessarily the views of Manpower, HP, etc.I had the same problems also on a 286 machine. Whenever it occured I
pressed F9 (compile). This usually solved the problem for me (not very elegant though). Ronny Marinusse
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Kim Forwo #9 / 10
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> > We are using TP 7.0 on IBM mod30 286 for grade 10 programming. Some of > the students in class have complained that while they are keying in > their programs, the editor cannot keep up with their fingers. Every > keystroke causes the HD to read or write, slowing down the editing > process. Has any had this happen? Can anyone tell me whats going on? > Thanks muchly, Tim Schutt In> Perhaps you can install a small disk cache (smartdrv,etc.). That In> should take care of most of the disk-access. Beware however : if a In> program crashes the computer before the disk cache contents is written In> to the disk, source code may be lost (try read-only disk caching). I have a similar problem as the original poster at times, and I find that simply exiting out of the IDE completely and then reloading it again is the quickest solution. I run TP on a 286 with 2 megs of RAM, and apart from the above problem, I seem to have other more frustrating ones when I have several files loaded at one time and one of those files is fairly large and needs to be recompiled. I have gotten into the habit of compiling anything but the smallest files from the command line, otherwise I get not-so-random characters thrown into the source code ad the compiler locks up completely. Anyway, I have SMARTDRV.EXE loaded, and never have a problem losing data after one of these lockups, although I *do* get a lot of lost clusters. I have a habit of hitting the F2 key very often, which probably has a lot to do with not losing data. -- Kim Forwood -- /-=oOo=--=oOo=--=oOo=--=oOo=--=oOo=--=oOo=--=oOo=--=oOo=--=oOo=--=oOo=-\
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Selom Ofo #10 / 10
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Quote: > We are using TP 7.0 on IBM mod30 286 for grade 10 programming. Some of > the students in class have complained that while they are keying in > their programs, the editor cannot keep up with their fingers. Every > keystroke causes the HD to read or write, slowing down the editing > process. Has any had this happen? Can anyone tell me whats going on? > Thanks muchly, Tim Schutt
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