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Arnor Baldvinss #1 / 43	OFF Topic: Mad Cow disease Hi all, As the media is getting full of the usual "information" about mad cow (BSE) disease and Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (CJD) because of the BSE outbreak in Canada, I thought I'd post here a little bit of _real information<g> The media is full of discussion about the CJD as being related to Mad Cow disease. That is actually not quite true. BSE is related to what is called a Variant CJD (vCJD), which is a different form of CJD. From 1995 to 2002 there were less than 135 cases in Europe and North America of this very, very rare disease, which is _probably_ related to BSE. They are caused by viruses with similar molecular structures, and it has been strongly suggested by medical research that BSE infected meat and brains can cause vCJD in humans. BSE is related to the scrapies virus in sheep which is one of the smallest and toughest viruses around. The scrapies virus is known to tolerate 3 hours of boiling and is suspected to be able to live for years without a host in rather hostile natural environments like we have in Iceland<g> BSE is thought to have come from scrapies infected sheep that were used in meat-bone meal used to feed cows in Britain in the eighties. CJD is a brain disease with 100% fatality rate with about 1 deaths in a million people pr. year in the US. CJD usually targets older people. vCJD targets younger people and the average age at death 29 years. In the US, the death rate in <30 from CJD is about 1 in a hundred million people or about 2-3 cases pr. year. The chances of getting infected by vCJD from a BSE infected meat/brain are very, very small. The changes of getting infected by regular CJD from a BSE infected meat/brain are absolutely NONE. The chances of the virus being infected by meat are much much smaller than by nervesystem material such as nerves, spinal cord or brain tissue. Once the connection was made between BSE and vCJD the meat processing plants slowly started to change the way they handle meat and cut it which has reduced a lot the amount of nerves in the meat used in hamburgers and other processed food. For some real information about these diseases, I would suggest going to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) website at http://www.--.com/ National Center for Infectious Diseases. The British CJD Surveilance Unit web page also has lot of information at http://www.--.com/ Thought prehaps someone would be interested:) Best regards, Arnr Baldvinsson Icetips Software San Antonio, Texas, USA www.icetips.com Subscribe to information from Icetips.com: http://www.--*.com/
Thu, 10 Nov 2005 07:20:27 GMT

Andrew Guidroz I #2 / 43	OFF Topic: Mad Cow disease Nice info. It is extremely rare. But don't forget that part of the stats of why so few die from it is directly related to how quickly all countries close their borders to it. Hopefully, Canada will contain this quickly. -- - Andrew Guidroz II (GeeTroze) Quote: > Hi all, > As the media is getting full of the usual "information" about mad cow > (BSE) disease and Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (CJD) because of the BSE > outbreak in Canada, I thought I'd post here a little bit of _real > information<g> > The media is full of discussion about the CJD as being related to Mad > Cow disease. That is actually not quite true. BSE is related to what > is called a Variant CJD (vCJD), which is a different form of CJD. > From 1995 to 2002 there were less than 135 cases in Europe and North > America of this very, very rare disease, which is _probably_ related > to BSE. They are caused by viruses with similar molecular structures, > and it has been strongly suggested by medical research that BSE > infected meat and brains can cause vCJD in humans. BSE is related to > the scrapies virus in sheep which is one of the smallest and toughest > viruses around. The scrapies virus is known to tolerate 3 hours of > boiling and is suspected to be able to live for years without a host > in rather hostile natural environments like we have in Iceland<g> BSE > is thought to have come from scrapies infected sheep that were used in > meat-bone meal used to feed cows in Britain in the eighties. > CJD is a brain disease with 100% fatality rate with about 1 deaths in > a million people pr. year in the US. CJD usually targets older > people. vCJD targets younger people and the average age at death 29 > years. In the US, the death rate in <30 from CJD is about 1 in a > hundred million people or about 2-3 cases pr. year. > The chances of getting infected by vCJD from a BSE infected meat/brain > are very, very small. The changes of getting infected by regular CJD > from a BSE infected meat/brain are absolutely NONE. The chances of > the virus being infected by meat are much much smaller than by > nervesystem material such as nerves, spinal cord or brain tissue. > Once the connection was made between BSE and vCJD the meat processing > plants slowly started to change the way they handle meat and cut it > which has reduced a lot the amount of nerves in the meat used in > hamburgers and other processed food. > For some real information about these diseases, I would suggest going > to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) website at > http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/cjd/cjd.htm which is at the > National Center for Infectious Diseases. The British CJD Surveilance > Unit web page also has lot of information at http://www.cjd.ed.ac.uk/ > Thought prehaps someone would be interested:) > Best regards, > Arnr Baldvinsson > Icetips Software > San Antonio, Texas, USA > www.icetips.com > Subscribe to information from Icetips.com: > http://www.icetips.com/getnotificationinfo.htm
Thu, 10 Nov 2005 07:24:58 GMT

Andrew Guidroz I #3 / 43	OFF Topic: Mad Cow disease I meant the disease is extremely rare, not the nice info <g>. -- - Andrew Guidroz II (GeeTroze) Quote: > Nice info. It is extremely rare. > But don't forget that part of the stats of why so few die from it is > directly related to how quickly all countries close their borders to it. > Hopefully, Canada will contain this quickly. > -- > - Andrew Guidroz II (GeeTroze) > > Hi all, > > As the media is getting full of the usual "information" about mad cow > > (BSE) disease and Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (CJD) because of the BSE > > outbreak in Canada, I thought I'd post here a little bit of _real > > information<g> > > The media is full of discussion about the CJD as being related to Mad > > Cow disease. That is actually not quite true. BSE is related to what > > is called a Variant CJD (vCJD), which is a different form of CJD. > > From 1995 to 2002 there were less than 135 cases in Europe and North > > America of this very, very rare disease, which is _probably_ related > > to BSE. They are caused by viruses with similar molecular structures, > > and it has been strongly suggested by medical research that BSE > > infected meat and brains can cause vCJD in humans. BSE is related to > > the scrapies virus in sheep which is one of the smallest and toughest > > viruses around. The scrapies virus is known to tolerate 3 hours of > > boiling and is suspected to be able to live for years without a host > > in rather hostile natural environments like we have in Iceland<g> BSE > > is thought to have come from scrapies infected sheep that were used in > > meat-bone meal used to feed cows in Britain in the eighties. > > CJD is a brain disease with 100% fatality rate with about 1 deaths in > > a million people pr. year in the US. CJD usually targets older > > people. vCJD targets younger people and the average age at death 29 > > years. In the US, the death rate in <30 from CJD is about 1 in a > > hundred million people or about 2-3 cases pr. year. > > The chances of getting infected by vCJD from a BSE infected meat/brain > > are very, very small. The changes of getting infected by regular CJD > > from a BSE infected meat/brain are absolutely NONE. The chances of > > the virus being infected by meat are much much smaller than by > > nervesystem material such as nerves, spinal cord or brain tissue. > > Once the connection was made between BSE and vCJD the meat processing > > plants slowly started to change the way they handle meat and cut it > > which has reduced a lot the amount of nerves in the meat used in > > hamburgers and other processed food. > > For some real information about these diseases, I would suggest going > > to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) website at > > http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/cjd/cjd.htm which is at the > > National Center for Infectious Diseases. The British CJD Surveilance > > Unit web page also has lot of information at http://www.cjd.ed.ac.uk/ > > Thought prehaps someone would be interested:) > > Best regards, > > Arnr Baldvinsson > > Icetips Software > > San Antonio, Texas, USA > > www.icetips.com > > Subscribe to information from Icetips.com: > > http://www.icetips.com/getnotificationinfo.htm
Thu, 10 Nov 2005 07:28:09 GMT

David S. Begg #4 / 43	OFF Topic: Mad Cow disease Hi Arnor. As my primary job is as a Dairy Cattle Veterinarian I thought I might make a comment here too. Whilst vCJD is indeed different to CJD, the difference is in what scientests see when they analyse brains at post mortem and in how the disease is transmitted. Both diseases look exactly the same clinically and are disastrous for those that get them. There are several related diseases - scrapie in sheep, kuru in man, Transmissible Mink Encephalopathy in mink), Chronic wasting disease of Deer, and various others. The scary thing about these diseases is that they are the only known "infectious" diseases that contain no DNA or RNA. They are made entirely of protein, and are labeled "Prions" for Protein Infectious Organisms. They are almost indestructible. Boiling temperature won't denature them I can't really use the word Kill because they are not really a life form according to current definitions! They all seem to have preferences for different species - scrapie in sheep does not cause BSE in cattle. At least that used to be the conventional wisdom. If you give scrapie to Minks, they get sick. If you then feed these Mink to cattle, they develop BSE! In my humble opinion, these TSE's (Transmissible Spongiform Encepholopathies) are the scariest disease I've ever heard of. The good news is that it should be very easy to control - at least from the point of view of Human Health. Firstly, Don't eat Brains or spinal chords. The rest of the animal is safe. Striated muscle meat (steaks, roasts, ground beef, etc.), fat, bone and milk are NOT infective, since these tissues do not contain the BSE- causing agent. This is something that as individuals we can all do and we will then be quite safe. Secondly, don't feed animal protein to other animals. Feed sheep and cattle foodstuffs made from plant material or animal fat. This is something that Governments can do (and for the most part already have done) at a legislative level. In Australia, we are quite lucky as we introduced laws which prohibited the feeding of animal protein to cloven hoofed animals more than 30 years ago as a protection against the introduction of Foot and Mouth disease. It is a major offense to feed swill to pigs in Australia! This probably saved us from getting BSE. In Summary, if you and your government follow 2 simple rules, you will be ok. Cheers! Dave Beggs (or should I be calling myself adsd9s87!?) Quote: > Hi all, > As the media is getting full of the usual "information" about mad cow > (BSE) disease and Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (CJD) because of the BSE > outbreak in Canada, I thought I'd post here a little bit of _real > information<g> > The media is full of discussion about the CJD as being related to Mad > Cow disease. That is actually not quite true. BSE is related to what > is called a Variant CJD (vCJD), which is a different form of CJD. > From 1995 to 2002 there were less than 135 cases in Europe and North > America of this very, very rare disease, which is _probably_ related > to BSE. They are caused by viruses with similar molecular structures, > and it has been strongly suggested by medical research that BSE > infected meat and brains can cause vCJD in humans. BSE is related to > the scrapies virus in sheep which is one of the smallest and toughest > viruses around. The scrapies virus is known to tolerate 3 hours of > boiling and is suspected to be able to live for years without a host > in rather hostile natural environments like we have in Iceland<g> BSE > is thought to have come from scrapies infected sheep that were used in > meat-bone meal used to feed cows in Britain in the eighties. > CJD is a brain disease with 100% fatality rate with about 1 deaths in > a million people pr. year in the US. CJD usually targets older > people. vCJD targets younger people and the average age at death 29 > years. In the US, the death rate in <30 from CJD is about 1 in a > hundred million people or about 2-3 cases pr. year. > The chances of getting infected by vCJD from a BSE infected meat/brain > are very, very small. The changes of getting infected by regular CJD > from a BSE infected meat/brain are absolutely NONE. The chances of > the virus being infected by meat are much much smaller than by > nervesystem material such as nerves, spinal cord or brain tissue. > Once the connection was made between BSE and vCJD the meat processing > plants slowly started to change the way they handle meat and cut it > which has reduced a lot the amount of nerves in the meat used in > hamburgers and other processed food. > For some real information about these diseases, I would suggest going > to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) website at > http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/cjd/cjd.htm which is at the > National Center for Infectious Diseases. The British CJD Surveilance > Unit web page also has lot of information at http://www.cjd.ed.ac.uk/ > Thought prehaps someone would be interested:) > Best regards, > Arnr Baldvinsson > Icetips Software > San Antonio, Texas, USA > www.icetips.com > Subscribe to information from Icetips.com: > http://www.icetips.com/getnotificationinfo.htm
Thu, 10 Nov 2005 08:39:25 GMT

Andrew Guidroz I #5 / 43	OFF Topic: Mad Cow disease Skipping brain and spinal cord would certainly curb my diet. There have been one or two cases that are believed to have been transmitted via squirrel brains. Thankfully, I'm clean thus far. -- - Andrew Guidroz II (GeeTroze) Quote: > Hi Arnor. > As my primary job is as a Dairy Cattle Veterinarian I thought I might make a > comment here too. > Whilst vCJD is indeed different to CJD, the difference is in what scientests > see when they analyse brains at post mortem and in how the disease is > transmitted. Both diseases look exactly the same clinically and are > disastrous for those that get them. > There are several related diseases - scrapie in sheep, kuru in man, > Transmissible Mink Encephalopathy in mink), Chronic wasting disease of Deer, > and various others. > The scary thing about these diseases is that they are the only known > "infectious" diseases that contain no DNA or RNA. They are made entirely of > protein, and are labeled "Prions" for Protein Infectious Organisms. They > are almost indestructible. Boiling temperature won't denature them I can't > really use the word Kill because they are not really a life form according > to current definitions! > They all seem to have preferences for different species - scrapie in sheep > does not cause BSE in cattle. At least that used to be the conventional > wisdom. If you give scrapie to Minks, they get sick. If you then feed > these Mink to cattle, they develop BSE! > In my humble opinion, these TSE's (Transmissible Spongiform > Encepholopathies) are the scariest disease I've ever heard of. > The good news is that it should be very easy to control - at least from the > point of view of Human Health. > Firstly, Don't eat Brains or spinal chords. The rest of the animal is safe. > Striated muscle meat (steaks, roasts, ground beef, etc.), fat, bone and milk > are NOT infective, since these tissues do not contain the BSE- causing > agent. This is something that as individuals we can all do and we will then > be quite safe. > Secondly, don't feed animal protein to other animals. Feed sheep and cattle > foodstuffs made from plant material or animal fat. This is something that > Governments can do (and for the most part already have done) at a > legislative level. > In Australia, we are quite lucky as we introduced laws which prohibited the > feeding of animal protein to cloven hoofed animals more than 30 years ago as > a protection against the introduction of Foot and Mouth disease. It is a > major offense to feed swill to pigs in Australia! This probably saved us > from getting BSE. > In Summary, if you and your government follow 2 simple rules, you will be > ok. > Cheers! > Dave Beggs > (or should I be calling myself adsd9s87!?) > > Hi all, > > As the media is getting full of the usual "information" about mad cow > > (BSE) disease and Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (CJD) because of the BSE > > outbreak in Canada, I thought I'd post here a little bit of _real > > information<g> > > The media is full of discussion about the CJD as being related to Mad > > Cow disease. That is actually not quite true. BSE is related to what > > is called a Variant CJD (vCJD), which is a different form of CJD. > > From 1995 to 2002 there were less than 135 cases in Europe and North > > America of this very, very rare disease, which is _probably_ related > > to BSE. They are caused by viruses with similar molecular structures, > > and it has been strongly suggested by medical research that BSE > > infected meat and brains can cause vCJD in humans. BSE is related to > > the scrapies virus in sheep which is one of the smallest and toughest > > viruses around. The scrapies virus is known to tolerate 3 hours of > > boiling and is suspected to be able to live for years without a host > > in rather hostile natural environments like we have in Iceland<g> BSE > > is thought to have come from scrapies infected sheep that were used in > > meat-bone meal used to feed cows in Britain in the eighties. > > CJD is a brain disease with 100% fatality rate with about 1 deaths in > > a million people pr. year in the US. CJD usually targets older > > people. vCJD targets younger people and the average age at death 29 > > years. In the US, the death rate in <30 from CJD is about 1 in a > > hundred million people or about 2-3 cases pr. year. > > The chances of getting infected by vCJD from a BSE infected meat/brain > > are very, very small. The changes of getting infected by regular CJD > > from a BSE infected meat/brain are absolutely NONE. The chances of > > the virus being infected by meat are much much smaller than by > > nervesystem material such as nerves, spinal cord or brain tissue. > > Once the connection was made between BSE and vCJD the meat processing > > plants slowly started to change the way they handle meat and cut it > > which has reduced a lot the amount of nerves in the meat used in > > hamburgers and other processed food. > > For some real information about these diseases, I would suggest going > > to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) website at > > http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/cjd/cjd.htm which is at the > > National Center for Infectious Diseases. The British CJD Surveilance > > Unit web page also has lot of information at http://www.cjd.ed.ac.uk/ > > Thought prehaps someone would be interested:) > > Best regards, > > Arnr Baldvinsson > > Icetips Software > > San Antonio, Texas, USA > > www.icetips.com > > Subscribe to information from Icetips.com: > > http://www.icetips.com/getnotificationinfo.htm
Thu, 10 Nov 2005 08:46:22 GMT

David S. Begg #6 / 43	OFF Topic: Mad Cow disease Quote: > Thankfully, I'm clean thus far. really?!! <g> Dave Quote: > Skipping brain and spinal cord would certainly curb my diet. > There have been one or two cases that are believed to have been transmitted > via squirrel brains. Thankfully, I'm clean thus far. > -- > - Andrew Guidroz II (GeeTroze) > > Hi Arnor. > > As my primary job is as a Dairy Cattle Veterinarian I thought I might make > a > > comment here too. > > Whilst vCJD is indeed different to CJD, the difference is in what > scientests > > see when they analyse brains at post mortem and in how the disease is > > transmitted. Both diseases look exactly the same clinically and are > > disastrous for those that get them. > > There are several related diseases - scrapie in sheep, kuru in man, > > Transmissible Mink Encephalopathy in mink), Chronic wasting disease of > Deer, > > and various others. > > The scary thing about these diseases is that they are the only known > > "infectious" diseases that contain no DNA or RNA. They are made entirely > of > > protein, and are labeled "Prions" for Protein Infectious Organisms. They > > are almost indestructible. Boiling temperature won't denature them I > can't > > really use the word Kill because they are not really a life form according > > to current definitions! > > They all seem to have preferences for different species - scrapie in sheep > > does not cause BSE in cattle. At least that used to be the conventional > > wisdom. If you give scrapie to Minks, they get sick. If you then feed > > these Mink to cattle, they develop BSE! > > In my humble opinion, these TSE's (Transmissible Spongiform > > Encepholopathies) are the scariest disease I've ever heard of. > > The good news is that it should be very easy to control - at least from > the > > point of view of Human Health. > > Firstly, Don't eat Brains or spinal chords. The rest of the animal is > safe. > > Striated muscle meat (steaks, roasts, ground beef, etc.), fat, bone and > milk > > are NOT infective, since these tissues do not contain the BSE- causing > > agent. This is something that as individuals we can all do and we will > then > > be quite safe. > > Secondly, don't feed animal protein to other animals. Feed sheep and > cattle > > foodstuffs made from plant material or animal fat. This is something that > > Governments can do (and for the most part already have done) at a > > legislative level. > > In Australia, we are quite lucky as we introduced laws which prohibited > the > > feeding of animal protein to cloven hoofed animals more than 30 years ago > as > > a protection against the introduction of Foot and Mouth disease. It is a > > major offense to feed swill to pigs in Australia! This probably saved us > > from getting BSE. > > In Summary, if you and your government follow 2 simple rules, you will be > > ok. > > Cheers! > > Dave Beggs > > (or should I be calling myself adsd9s87!?) > > > Hi all, > > > As the media is getting full of the usual "information" about mad cow > > > (BSE) disease and Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (CJD) because of the BSE > > > outbreak in Canada, I thought I'd post here a little bit of _real > > > information<g> > > > The media is full of discussion about the CJD as being related to Mad > > > Cow disease. That is actually not quite true. BSE is related to what > > > is called a Variant CJD (vCJD), which is a different form of CJD. > > > From 1995 to 2002 there were less than 135 cases in Europe and North > > > America of this very, very rare disease, which is _probably_ related > > > to BSE. They are caused by viruses with similar molecular structures, > > > and it has been strongly suggested by medical research that BSE > > > infected meat and brains can cause vCJD in humans. BSE is related to > > > the scrapies virus in sheep which is one of the smallest and toughest > > > viruses around. The scrapies virus is known to tolerate 3 hours of > > > boiling and is suspected to be able to live for years without a host > > > in rather hostile natural environments like we have in Iceland<g> BSE > > > is thought to have come from scrapies infected sheep that were used in > > > meat-bone meal used to feed cows in Britain in the eighties. > > > CJD is a brain disease with 100% fatality rate with about 1 deaths in > > > a million people pr. year in the US. CJD usually targets older > > > people. vCJD targets younger people and the average age at death 29 > > > years. In the US, the death rate in <30 from CJD is about 1 in a > > > hundred million people or about 2-3 cases pr. year. > > > The chances of getting infected by vCJD from a BSE infected meat/brain > > > are very, very small. The changes of getting infected by regular CJD > > > from a BSE infected meat/brain are absolutely NONE. The chances of > > > the virus being infected by meat are much much smaller than by > > > nervesystem material such as nerves, spinal cord or brain tissue. > > > Once the connection was made between BSE and vCJD the meat processing > > > plants slowly started to change the way they handle meat and cut it > > > which has reduced a lot the amount of nerves in the meat used in > > > hamburgers and other processed food. > > > For some real information about these diseases, I would suggest going > > > to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) website at > > > http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/cjd/cjd.htm which is at the > > > National Center for Infectious Diseases. The British CJD Surveilance > > > Unit web page also has lot of information at http://www.cjd.ed.ac.uk/ > > > Thought prehaps someone would be interested:) > > > Best regards, > > > Arnr Baldvinsson > > > Icetips Software > > > San Antonio, Texas, USA > > > www.icetips.com > > > Subscribe to information from Icetips.com: > > > http://www.icetips.com/getnotificationinfo.htm
Thu, 10 Nov 2005 08:56:02 GMT

Andrew Guidroz I #7 / 43	OFF Topic: Mad Cow disease That's considered a delicacy here ... although I guess there really aren't squirrels there in Australia. Now, I wonder if cooking backbone stew from deer or pork would put you at risk in the spinal column area.... -- - Andrew Guidroz II (GeeTroze) Quote: > > Thankfully, I'm clean thus far. > really?!! > <g> > Dave > > Skipping brain and spinal cord would certainly curb my diet. > > There have been one or two cases that are believed to have been > transmitted > > via squirrel brains. Thankfully, I'm clean thus far. > > -- > > - Andrew Guidroz II (GeeTroze) > > > Hi Arnor. > > > As my primary job is as a Dairy Cattle Veterinarian I thought I might > make > > a > > > comment here too. > > > Whilst vCJD is indeed different to CJD, the difference is in what > > scientests > > > see when they analyse brains at post mortem and in how the disease is > > > transmitted. Both diseases look exactly the same clinically and are > > > disastrous for those that get them. > > > There are several related diseases - scrapie in sheep, kuru in man, > > > Transmissible Mink Encephalopathy in mink), Chronic wasting disease of > > Deer, > > > and various others. > > > The scary thing about these diseases is that they are the only known > > > "infectious" diseases that contain no DNA or RNA. They are made > entirely > > of > > > protein, and are labeled "Prions" for Protein Infectious Organisms. > They > > > are almost indestructible. Boiling temperature won't denature them I > > can't > > > really use the word Kill because they are not really a life form > according > > > to current definitions! > > > They all seem to have preferences for different species - scrapie in > sheep > > > does not cause BSE in cattle. At least that used to be the conventional > > > wisdom. If you give scrapie to Minks, they get sick. If you then feed > > > these Mink to cattle, they develop BSE! > > > In my humble opinion, these TSE's (Transmissible Spongiform > > > Encepholopathies) are the scariest disease I've ever heard of. > > > The good news is that it should be very easy to control - at least from > > the > > > point of view of Human Health. > > > Firstly, Don't eat Brains or spinal chords. The rest of the animal is > > safe. > > > Striated muscle meat (steaks, roasts, ground beef, etc.), fat, bone and > > milk > > > are NOT infective, since these tissues do not contain the BSE- causing > > > agent. This is something that as individuals we can all do and we will > > then > > > be quite safe. > > > Secondly, don't feed animal protein to other animals. Feed sheep and > > cattle > > > foodstuffs made from plant material or animal fat. This is something > that > > > Governments can do (and for the most part already have done) at a > > > legislative level. > > > In Australia, we are quite lucky as we introduced laws which prohibited > > the > > > feeding of animal protein to cloven hoofed animals more than 30 years > ago > > as > > > a protection against the introduction of Foot and Mouth disease. It is > a > > > major offense to feed swill to pigs in Australia! This probably saved > us > > > from getting BSE. > > > In Summary, if you and your government follow 2 simple rules, you will > be > > > ok. > > > Cheers! > > > Dave Beggs > > > (or should I be calling myself adsd9s87!?) > > > > Hi all, > > > > As the media is getting full of the usual "information" about mad cow > > > > (BSE) disease and Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (CJD) because of the BSE > > > > outbreak in Canada, I thought I'd post here a little bit of _real > > > > information<g> > > > > The media is full of discussion about the CJD as being related to Mad > > > > Cow disease. That is actually not quite true. BSE is related to what > > > > is called a Variant CJD (vCJD), which is a different form of CJD. > > > > From 1995 to 2002 there were less than 135 cases in Europe and North > > > > America of this very, very rare disease, which is _probably_ related > > > > to BSE. They are caused by viruses with similar molecular structures, > > > > and it has been strongly suggested by medical research that BSE > > > > infected meat and brains can cause vCJD in humans. BSE is related to > > > > the scrapies virus in sheep which is one of the smallest and toughest > > > > viruses around. The scrapies virus is known to tolerate 3 hours of > > > > boiling and is suspected to be able to live for years without a host > > > > in rather hostile natural environments like we have in Iceland<g> BSE > > > > is thought to have come from scrapies infected sheep that were used in > > > > meat-bone meal used to feed cows in Britain in the eighties. > > > > CJD is a brain disease with 100% fatality rate with about 1 deaths in > > > > a million people pr. year in the US. CJD usually targets older > > > > people. vCJD targets younger people and the average age at death 29 > > > > years. In the US, the death rate in <30 from CJD is about 1 in a > > > > hundred million people or about 2-3 cases pr. year. > > > > The chances of getting infected by vCJD from a BSE infected meat/brain > > > > are very, very small. The changes of getting infected by regular CJD > > > > from a BSE infected meat/brain are absolutely NONE. The chances of > > > > the virus being infected by meat are much much smaller than by > > > > nervesystem material such as nerves, spinal cord or brain tissue. > > > > Once the connection was made between BSE and vCJD the meat processing > > > > plants slowly started to change the way they handle meat and cut it > > > > which has reduced a lot the amount of nerves in the meat used in > > > > hamburgers and other processed food. > > > > For some real information about these diseases, I would suggest going > > > > to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) website at > > > > http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/cjd/cjd.htm which is at the > > > > National Center for Infectious Diseases. The British CJD Surveilance > > > > Unit web page also has lot of information at http://www.cjd.ed.ac.uk/ - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Quote: > > > > Thought prehaps someone would be interested:) > > > > Best regards, > > > > Arnr Baldvinsson > > > > Icetips Software > > > > San Antonio, Texas, USA > > > > www.icetips.com > > > > Subscribe to information from Icetips.com: > > > > http://www.icetips.com/getnotificationinfo.htm
Thu, 10 Nov 2005 08:59:56 GMT

Jim #8 / 43	OFF Topic: Mad Cow disease If the slaughtering process is not done carefully, brain and spinal cord matter can contaminate meat. Jim. Quote: > Hi Arnor. > As my primary job is as a Dairy Cattle Veterinarian I thought I might make a > comment here too. > Whilst vCJD is indeed different to CJD, the difference is in what scientests > see when they analyse brains at post mortem and in how the disease is > transmitted. Both diseases look exactly the same clinically and are > disastrous for those that get them. > There are several related diseases - scrapie in sheep, kuru in man, > Transmissible Mink Encephalopathy in mink), Chronic wasting disease of Deer, > and various others. > The scary thing about these diseases is that they are the only known > "infectious" diseases that contain no DNA or RNA. They are made entirely of > protein, and are labeled "Prions" for Protein Infectious Organisms. They > are almost indestructible. Boiling temperature won't denature them I can't > really use the word Kill because they are not really a life form according > to current definitions! > They all seem to have preferences for different species - scrapie in sheep > does not cause BSE in cattle. At least that used to be the conventional > wisdom. If you give scrapie to Minks, they get sick. If you then feed > these Mink to cattle, they develop BSE! > In my humble opinion, these TSE's (Transmissible Spongiform > Encepholopathies) are the scariest disease I've ever heard of. > The good news is that it should be very easy to control - at least from the > point of view of Human Health. > Firstly, Don't eat Brains or spinal chords. The rest of the animal is safe. > Striated muscle meat (steaks, roasts, ground beef, etc.), fat, bone and milk > are NOT infective, since these tissues do not contain the BSE- causing > agent. This is something that as individuals we can all do and we will then > be quite safe. > Secondly, don't feed animal protein to other animals. Feed sheep and cattle > foodstuffs made from plant material or animal fat. This is something that > Governments can do (and for the most part already have done) at a > legislative level. > In Australia, we are quite lucky as we introduced laws which prohibited the > feeding of animal protein to cloven hoofed animals more than 30 years ago as > a protection against the introduction of Foot and Mouth disease. It is a > major offense to feed swill to pigs in Australia! This probably saved us > from getting BSE. > In Summary, if you and your government follow 2 simple rules, you will be > ok. > Cheers! > Dave Beggs > (or should I be calling myself adsd9s87!?) > > Hi all, > > As the media is getting full of the usual "information" about mad cow > > (BSE) disease and Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (CJD) because of the BSE > > outbreak in Canada, I thought I'd post here a little bit of _real > > information<g> > > The media is full of discussion about the CJD as being related to Mad > > Cow disease. That is actually not quite true. BSE is related to what > > is called a Variant CJD (vCJD), which is a different form of CJD. > > From 1995 to 2002 there were less than 135 cases in Europe and North > > America of this very, very rare disease, which is _probably_ related > > to BSE. They are caused by viruses with similar molecular structures, > > and it has been strongly suggested by medical research that BSE > > infected meat and brains can cause vCJD in humans. BSE is related to > > the scrapies virus in sheep which is one of the smallest and toughest > > viruses around. The scrapies virus is known to tolerate 3 hours of > > boiling and is suspected to be able to live for years without a host > > in rather hostile natural environments like we have in Iceland<g> BSE > > is thought to have come from scrapies infected sheep that were used in > > meat-bone meal used to feed cows in Britain in the eighties. > > CJD is a brain disease with 100% fatality rate with about 1 deaths in > > a million people pr. year in the US. CJD usually targets older > > people. vCJD targets younger people and the average age at death 29 > > years. In the US, the death rate in <30 from CJD is about 1 in a > > hundred million people or about 2-3 cases pr. year. > > The chances of getting infected by vCJD from a BSE infected meat/brain > > are very, very small. The changes of getting infected by regular CJD > > from a BSE infected meat/brain are absolutely NONE. The chances of > > the virus being infected by meat are much much smaller than by > > nervesystem material such as nerves, spinal cord or brain tissue. > > Once the connection was made between BSE and vCJD the meat processing > > plants slowly started to change the way they handle meat and cut it > > which has reduced a lot the amount of nerves in the meat used in > > hamburgers and other processed food. > > For some real information about these diseases, I would suggest going > > to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) website at > > http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/cjd/cjd.htm which is at the > > National Center for Infectious Diseases. The British CJD Surveilance > > Unit web page also has lot of information at http://www.cjd.ed.ac.uk/ > > Thought prehaps someone would be interested:) > > Best regards, > > Arnr Baldvinsson > > Icetips Software > > San Antonio, Texas, USA > > www.icetips.com > > Subscribe to information from Icetips.com: > > http://www.icetips.com/getnotificationinfo.htm
Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:00:21 GMT

Randy Roger #9 / 43	OFF Topic: Mad Cow disease Jim _almost_ makes you want to be a vegan :-) Regards Randy Quote: > If the slaughtering process is not done carefully, brain and spinal cord > matter can contaminate meat. > Jim. > > Hi Arnor. > > As my primary job is as a Dairy Cattle Veterinarian I thought I might make > a > > comment here too. > > Whilst vCJD is indeed different to CJD, the difference is in what > scientests > > see when they analyse brains at post mortem and in how the disease is > > transmitted. Both diseases look exactly the same clinically and are > > disastrous for those that get them. > > There are several related diseases - scrapie in sheep, kuru in man, > > Transmissible Mink Encephalopathy in mink), Chronic wasting disease of > Deer, > > and various others. > > The scary thing about these diseases is that they are the only known > > "infectious" diseases that contain no DNA or RNA. They are made entirely > of > > protein, and are labeled "Prions" for Protein Infectious Organisms. They > > are almost indestructible. Boiling temperature won't denature them I > can't > > really use the word Kill because they are not really a life form according > > to current definitions! > > They all seem to have preferences for different species - scrapie in sheep > > does not cause BSE in cattle. At least that used to be the conventional > > wisdom. If you give scrapie to Minks, they get sick. If you then feed > > these Mink to cattle, they develop BSE! > > In my humble opinion, these TSE's (Transmissible Spongiform > > Encepholopathies) are the scariest disease I've ever heard of. > > The good news is that it should be very easy to control - at least from > the > > point of view of Human Health. > > Firstly, Don't eat Brains or spinal chords. The rest of the animal is > safe. > > Striated muscle meat (steaks, roasts, ground beef, etc.), fat, bone and > milk > > are NOT infective, since these tissues do not contain the BSE- causing > > agent. This is something that as individuals we can all do and we will > then > > be quite safe. > > Secondly, don't feed animal protein to other animals. Feed sheep and > cattle > > foodstuffs made from plant material or animal fat. This is something that > > Governments can do (and for the most part already have done) at a > > legislative level. > > In Australia, we are quite lucky as we introduced laws which prohibited > the > > feeding of animal protein to cloven hoofed animals more than 30 years ago > as > > a protection against the introduction of Foot and Mouth disease. It is a > > major offense to feed swill to pigs in Australia! This probably saved us > > from getting BSE. > > In Summary, if you and your government follow 2 simple rules, you will be > > ok. > > Cheers! > > Dave Beggs > > (or should I be calling myself adsd9s87!?) > > > Hi all, > > > As the media is getting full of the usual "information" about mad cow > > > (BSE) disease and Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (CJD) because of the BSE > > > outbreak in Canada, I thought I'd post here a little bit of _real > > > information<g> > > > The media is full of discussion about the CJD as being related to Mad > > > Cow disease. That is actually not quite true. BSE is related to what > > > is called a Variant CJD (vCJD), which is a different form of CJD. > > > From 1995 to 2002 there were less than 135 cases in Europe and North > > > America of this very, very rare disease, which is _probably_ related > > > to BSE. They are caused by viruses with similar molecular structures, > > > and it has been strongly suggested by medical research that BSE > > > infected meat and brains can cause vCJD in humans. BSE is related to > > > the scrapies virus in sheep which is one of the smallest and toughest > > > viruses around. The scrapies virus is known to tolerate 3 hours of > > > boiling and is suspected to be able to live for years without a host > > > in rather hostile natural environments like we have in Iceland<g> BSE > > > is thought to have come from scrapies infected sheep that were used in > > > meat-bone meal used to feed cows in Britain in the eighties. > > > CJD is a brain disease with 100% fatality rate with about 1 deaths in > > > a million people pr. year in the US. CJD usually targets older > > > people. vCJD targets younger people and the average age at death 29 > > > years. In the US, the death rate in <30 from CJD is about 1 in a > > > hundred million people or about 2-3 cases pr. year. > > > The chances of getting infected by vCJD from a BSE infected meat/brain > > > are very, very small. The changes of getting infected by regular CJD > > > from a BSE infected meat/brain are absolutely NONE. The chances of > > > the virus being infected by meat are much much smaller than by > > > nervesystem material such as nerves, spinal cord or brain tissue. > > > Once the connection was made between BSE and vCJD the meat processing > > > plants slowly started to change the way they handle meat and cut it > > > which has reduced a lot the amount of nerves in the meat used in > > > hamburgers and other processed food. > > > For some real information about these diseases, I would suggest going > > > to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) website at > > > http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/cjd/cjd.htm which is at the > > > National Center for Infectious Diseases. The British CJD Surveilance > > > Unit web page also has lot of information at http://www.cjd.ed.ac.uk/ > > > Thought prehaps someone would be interested:) > > > Best regards, > > > Arnr Baldvinsson > > > Icetips Software > > > San Antonio, Texas, USA > > > www.icetips.com > > > Subscribe to information from Icetips.com: > > > http://www.icetips.com/getnotificationinfo.htm
Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:29:04 GMT

Randy Roger #10 / 43	OFF Topic: Mad Cow disease adsd9s87 Quote: >contain no DNA or RNA _that_ _is_ _scarey_ man made? :-) randy Quote: > Hi Arnor. > As my primary job is as a Dairy Cattle Veterinarian I thought I might make a > comment here too. > Whilst vCJD is indeed different to CJD, the difference is in what scientests > see when they analyse brains at post mortem and in how the disease is > transmitted. Both diseases look exactly the same clinically and are > disastrous for those that get them. > There are several related diseases - scrapie in sheep, kuru in man, > Transmissible Mink Encephalopathy in mink), Chronic wasting disease of Deer, > and various others. > The scary thing about these diseases is that they are the only known > "infectious" diseases that contain no DNA or RNA. They are made entirely of > protein, and are labeled "Prions" for Protein Infectious Organisms. They > are almost indestructible. Boiling temperature won't denature them I can't > really use the word Kill because they are not really a life form according > to current definitions! > They all seem to have preferences for different species - scrapie in sheep > does not cause BSE in cattle. At least that used to be the conventional > wisdom. If you give scrapie to Minks, they get sick. If you then feed > these Mink to cattle, they develop BSE! > In my humble opinion, these TSE's (Transmissible Spongiform > Encepholopathies) are the scariest disease I've ever heard of. > The good news is that it should be very easy to control - at least from the > point of view of Human Health. > Firstly, Don't eat Brains or spinal chords. The rest of the animal is safe. > Striated muscle meat (steaks, roasts, ground beef, etc.), fat, bone and milk > are NOT infective, since these tissues do not contain the BSE- causing > agent. This is something that as individuals we can all do and we will then > be quite safe. > Secondly, don't feed animal protein to other animals. Feed sheep and cattle > foodstuffs made from plant material or animal fat. This is something that > Governments can do (and for the most part already have done) at a > legislative level. > In Australia, we are quite lucky as we introduced laws which prohibited the > feeding of animal protein to cloven hoofed animals more than 30 years ago as > a protection against the introduction of Foot and Mouth disease. It is a > major offense to feed swill to pigs in Australia! This probably saved us > from getting BSE. > In Summary, if you and your government follow 2 simple rules, you will be > ok. > Cheers! > Dave Beggs > (or should I be calling myself adsd9s87!?) > > Hi all, > > As the media is getting full of the usual "information" about mad cow > > (BSE) disease and Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (CJD) because of the BSE > > outbreak in Canada, I thought I'd post here a little bit of _real > > information<g> > > The media is full of discussion about the CJD as being related to Mad > > Cow disease. That is actually not quite true. BSE is related to what > > is called a Variant CJD (vCJD), which is a different form of CJD. > > From 1995 to 2002 there were less than 135 cases in Europe and North > > America of this very, very rare disease, which is _probably_ related > > to BSE. They are caused by viruses with similar molecular structures, > > and it has been strongly suggested by medical research that BSE > > infected meat and brains can cause vCJD in humans. BSE is related to > > the scrapies virus in sheep which is one of the smallest and toughest > > viruses around. The scrapies virus is known to tolerate 3 hours of > > boiling and is suspected to be able to live for years without a host > > in rather hostile natural environments like we have in Iceland<g> BSE > > is thought to have come from scrapies infected sheep that were used in > > meat-bone meal used to feed cows in Britain in the eighties. > > CJD is a brain disease with 100% fatality rate with about 1 deaths in > > a million people pr. year in the US. CJD usually targets older > > people. vCJD targets younger people and the average age at death 29 > > years. In the US, the death rate in <30 from CJD is about 1 in a > > hundred million people or about 2-3 cases pr. year. > > The chances of getting infected by vCJD from a BSE infected meat/brain > > are very, very small. The changes of getting infected by regular CJD > > from a BSE infected meat/brain are absolutely NONE. The chances of > > the virus being infected by meat are much much smaller than by > > nervesystem material such as nerves, spinal cord or brain tissue. > > Once the connection was made between BSE and vCJD the meat processing > > plants slowly started to change the way they handle meat and cut it > > which has reduced a lot the amount of nerves in the meat used in > > hamburgers and other processed food. > > For some real information about these diseases, I would suggest going > > to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) website at > > http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/cjd/cjd.htm which is at the > > National Center for Infectious Diseases. The British CJD Surveilance > > Unit web page also has lot of information at http://www.cjd.ed.ac.uk/ > > Thought prehaps someone would be interested:) > > Best regards, > > Arnr Baldvinsson > > Icetips Software > > San Antonio, Texas, USA > > www.icetips.com > > Subscribe to information from Icetips.com: > > http://www.icetips.com/getnotificationinfo.htm
Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:31:36 GMT

Arnor Baldvinss #11 / 43	OFF Topic: Mad Cow disease Hi David, On Sun, 25 May 2003 10:39:25 +1000, "David S. Beggs" Quote: >transmitted. Both diseases look exactly the same clinically and are >disastrous for those that get them. Ah, I wasn't sure about that, it seemed from the material I read that they were not identical. Quote: >are almost indestructible. Boiling temperature won't denature them I can't >really use the word Kill because they are not really a life form according >to current definitions! That's scary and also very interesting - I was a farmer in Iceland before I started wandering around the world<g> We were unfortunate enough to get scrapies in our sheep back in 87 I think it was and almost the entire population of sheep in the East Iceland was culled off in a massive attempt to terminate the disease. It didn't quite succede, but I think a lot was learned in the behaviour of the disease and prevention, like cleaning etc. Quote: >Firstly, Don't eat Brains or spinal chords. The rest of the animal is safe. Darn!<g> In Iceland we have very strict regulations as to import of animals. Basically NO animals can be imported to Iceland without weeks and months in quarrantine and sheep, horses, cattle can not be imported except as embryos and that is only done from a quarantine island several miles off the North coast of Iceland. Unfortunately these regulations weren't in place at the beginning of the 20th century and sheep were imported from Scotland which later developed scrapies and some other diseases that at one point back in the fifties almost completely destroyed sheep farming in Iceland. Best regards, Arnr Baldvinsson Icetips Software San Antonio, Texas, USA www.icetips.com Subscribe to information from Icetips.com: http://www.icetips.com/getnotificationinfo.htm
Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:55:46 GMT

David S. Begg #12 / 43	OFF Topic: Mad Cow disease Hi Arnor. Quote: > In Iceland we have very strict regulations as to import of animals. > Basically NO animals can be imported to Iceland without weeks and > months in quarrantine and sheep, horses, cattle can not be imported > except as embryos and that is only done from a quarantine island > several miles off the North coast of Iceland. I am not sure that this will help. The incubation time for these diseases is often years rather than months. Also, there is some evidence for in utero transmission from cow to calf. I don't know whether this would occur in Embryo transfer though. If you don't feed your stock from the risky feeds, it won't spread though. Cheers! Dave
Thu, 10 Nov 2005 13:15:40 GMT

David S. Begg #13 / 43	OFF Topic: Mad Cow disease Hi Randy. I doubt we invented the Prion since scrapie has been around since the 40s or before, and Kuru (a Prion disease of {filter}s in Papua New Guinea which died out when they stopped eating each other) was first discovered in the 1950s. We may have been inadvertantly responsible for BSE though, by feeding animal protein to our ruminant livestock. Cheers! Dave Quote: > adsd9s87 > >contain no DNA or RNA > _that_ _is_ _scarey_ > man made? > :-) > randy > > Hi Arnor. > > As my primary job is as a Dairy Cattle Veterinarian I thought I might make > a > > comment here too. > > Whilst vCJD is indeed different to CJD, the difference is in what > scientests > > see when they analyse brains at post mortem and in how the disease is > > transmitted. Both diseases look exactly the same clinically and are > > disastrous for those that get them. > > There are several related diseases - scrapie in sheep, kuru in man, > > Transmissible Mink Encephalopathy in mink), Chronic wasting disease of > Deer, > > and various others. > > The scary thing about these diseases is that they are the only known > > "infectious" diseases that contain no DNA or RNA. They are made entirely > of > > protein, and are labeled "Prions" for Protein Infectious Organisms. They > > are almost indestructible. Boiling temperature won't denature them I > can't > > really use the word Kill because they are not really a life form according > > to current definitions! > > They all seem to have preferences for different species - scrapie in sheep > > does not cause BSE in cattle. At least that used to be the conventional > > wisdom. If you give scrapie to Minks, they get sick. If you then feed > > these Mink to cattle, they develop BSE! > > In my humble opinion, these TSE's (Transmissible Spongiform > > Encepholopathies) are the scariest disease I've ever heard of. > > The good news is that it should be very easy to control - at least from > the > > point of view of Human Health. > > Firstly, Don't eat Brains or spinal chords. The rest of the animal is > safe. > > Striated muscle meat (steaks, roasts, ground beef, etc.), fat, bone and > milk > > are NOT infective, since these tissues do not contain the BSE- causing > > agent. This is something that as individuals we can all do and we will > then > > be quite safe. > > Secondly, don't feed animal protein to other animals. Feed sheep and > cattle > > foodstuffs made from plant material or animal fat. This is something that > > Governments can do (and for the most part already have done) at a > > legislative level. > > In Australia, we are quite lucky as we introduced laws which prohibited > the > > feeding of animal protein to cloven hoofed animals more than 30 years ago > as > > a protection against the introduction of Foot and Mouth disease. It is a > > major offense to feed swill to pigs in Australia! This probably saved us > > from getting BSE. > > In Summary, if you and your government follow 2 simple rules, you will be > > ok. > > Cheers! > > Dave Beggs > > (or should I be calling myself adsd9s87!?) > > > Hi all, > > > As the media is getting full of the usual "information" about mad cow > > > (BSE) disease and Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (CJD) because of the BSE > > > outbreak in Canada, I thought I'd post here a little bit of _real > > > information<g> > > > The media is full of discussion about the CJD as being related to Mad > > > Cow disease. That is actually not quite true. BSE is related to what > > > is called a Variant CJD (vCJD), which is a different form of CJD. > > > From 1995 to 2002 there were less than 135 cases in Europe and North > > > America of this very, very rare disease, which is _probably_ related > > > to BSE. They are caused by viruses with similar molecular structures, > > > and it has been strongly suggested by medical research that BSE > > > infected meat and brains can cause vCJD in humans. BSE is related to > > > the scrapies virus in sheep which is one of the smallest and toughest > > > viruses around. The scrapies virus is known to tolerate 3 hours of > > > boiling and is suspected to be able to live for years without a host > > > in rather hostile natural environments like we have in Iceland<g> BSE > > > is thought to have come from scrapies infected sheep that were used in > > > meat-bone meal used to feed cows in Britain in the eighties. > > > CJD is a brain disease with 100% fatality rate with about 1 deaths in > > > a million people pr. year in the US. CJD usually targets older > > > people. vCJD targets younger people and the average age at death 29 > > > years. In the US, the death rate in <30 from CJD is about 1 in a > > > hundred million people or about 2-3 cases pr. year. > > > The chances of getting infected by vCJD from a BSE infected meat/brain > > > are very, very small. The changes of getting infected by regular CJD > > > from a BSE infected meat/brain are absolutely NONE. The chances of > > > the virus being infected by meat are much much smaller than by > > > nervesystem material such as nerves, spinal cord or brain tissue. > > > Once the connection was made between BSE and vCJD the meat processing > > > plants slowly started to change the way they handle meat and cut it > > > which has reduced a lot the amount of nerves in the meat used in > > > hamburgers and other processed food. > > > For some real information about these diseases, I would suggest going > > > to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) website at > > > http://www.--.com/ > > > National Center for Infectious Diseases. The British CJD Surveilance > > > Unit web page also has lot of information at http://www.--.com/ > > > Thought prehaps someone would be interested:) > > > Best regards, > > > Arnr Baldvinsson > > > Icetips Software > > > San Antonio, Texas, USA > > > www.icetips.com > > > Subscribe to information from Icetips.com: > > > http://www.--*.com/
Thu, 10 Nov 2005 13:17:56 GMT

Steve Parke #14 / 43	OFF Topic: Mad Cow disease Or only eat kosher slaughtered animals. Steve Parker -------------------------------------------------- kb and download center at: www.par2.com KB: http://www.par2.com/cws/c5launch.dll/FAQS/THEFAQS.exe.0 -------------------------------------------------- "The improbable, we do. The impossible takes a bit longer." Quote: > Jim > _almost_ makes you want to be a vegan :-) > Regards > Randy > > If the slaughtering process is not done carefully, brain and spinal cord > > matter can contaminate meat. > > Jim. > > > Hi Arnor. > > > As my primary job is as a Dairy Cattle Veterinarian I thought I might > make > > a > > > comment here too. > > > Whilst vCJD is indeed different to CJD, the difference is in what > > scientests > > > see when they analyse brains at post mortem and in how the disease is > > > transmitted. Both diseases look exactly the same clinically and are > > > disastrous for those that get them. > > > There are several related diseases - scrapie in sheep, kuru in man, > > > Transmissible Mink Encephalopathy in mink), Chronic wasting disease of > > Deer, > > > and various others. > > > The scary thing about these diseases is that they are the only known > > > "infectious" diseases that contain no DNA or RNA. They are made > entirely > > of > > > protein, and are labeled "Prions" for Protein Infectious Organisms. > They > > > are almost indestructible. Boiling temperature won't denature them I > > can't > > > really use the word Kill because they are not really a life form > according > > > to current definitions! > > > They all seem to have preferences for different species - scrapie in > sheep > > > does not cause BSE in cattle. At least that used to be the conventional > > > wisdom. If you give scrapie to Minks, they get sick. If you then feed > > > these Mink to cattle, they develop BSE! > > > In my humble opinion, these TSE's (Transmissible Spongiform > > > Encepholopathies) are the scariest disease I've ever heard of. > > > The good news is that it should be very easy to control - at least from > > the > > > point of view of Human Health. > > > Firstly, Don't eat Brains or spinal chords. The rest of the animal is > > safe. > > > Striated muscle meat (steaks, roasts, ground beef, etc.), fat, bone and > > milk > > > are NOT infective, since these tissues do not contain the BSE- causing > > > agent. This is something that as individuals we can all do and we will > > then > > > be quite safe. > > > Secondly, don't feed animal protein to other animals. Feed sheep and > > cattle > > > foodstuffs made from plant material or animal fat. This is something > that > > > Governments can do (and for the most part already have done) at a > > > legislative level. > > > In Australia, we are quite lucky as we introduced laws which prohibited > > the > > > feeding of animal protein to cloven hoofed animals more than 30 years > ago > > as > > > a protection against the introduction of Foot and Mouth disease. It is > a > > > major offense to feed swill to pigs in Australia! This probably saved > us > > > from getting BSE. > > > In Summary, if you and your government follow 2 simple rules, you will > be > > > ok. > > > Cheers! > > > Dave Beggs > > > (or should I be calling myself adsd9s87!?) > > > > Hi all, > > > > As the media is getting full of the usual "information" about mad cow > > > > (BSE) disease and Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (CJD) because of the BSE > > > > outbreak in Canada, I thought I'd post here a little bit of _real > > > > information<g> > > > > The media is full of discussion about the CJD as being related to Mad > > > > Cow disease. That is actually not quite true. BSE is related to what > > > > is called a Variant CJD (vCJD), which is a different form of CJD. > > > > From 1995 to 2002 there were less than 135 cases in Europe and North > > > > America of this very, very rare disease, which is _probably_ related > > > > to BSE. They are caused by viruses with similar molecular structures, > > > > and it has been strongly suggested by medical research that BSE > > > > infected meat and brains can cause vCJD in humans. BSE is related to > > > > the scrapies virus in sheep which is one of the smallest and toughest > > > > viruses around. The scrapies virus is known to tolerate 3 hours of > > > > boiling and is suspected to be able to live for years without a host > > > > in rather hostile natural environments like we have in Iceland<g> BSE > > > > is thought to have come from scrapies infected sheep that were used in > > > > meat-bone meal used to feed cows in Britain in the eighties. > > > > CJD is a brain disease with 100% fatality rate with about 1 deaths in > > > > a million people pr. year in the US. CJD usually targets older > > > > people. vCJD targets younger people and the average age at death 29 > > > > years. In the US, the death rate in <30 from CJD is about 1 in a > > > > hundred million people or about 2-3 cases pr. year. > > > > The chances of getting infected by vCJD from a BSE infected meat/brain > > > > are very, very small. The changes of getting infected by regular CJD > > > > from a BSE infected meat/brain are absolutely NONE. The chances of > > > > the virus being infected by meat are much much smaller than by > > > > nervesystem material such as nerves, spinal cord or brain tissue. > > > > Once the connection was made between BSE and vCJD the meat processing > > > > plants slowly started to change the way they handle meat and cut it > > > > which has reduced a lot the amount of nerves in the meat used in > > > > hamburgers and other processed food. > > > > For some real information about these diseases, I would suggest going > > > > to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) website at > > > > http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/cjd/cjd.htm which is at the > > > > National Center for Infectious Diseases. The British CJD Surveilance > > > > Unit web page also has lot of information at http://www.cjd.ed.ac.uk/ - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Quote: > > > > Thought prehaps someone would be interested:) > > > > Best regards, > > > > Arnr Baldvinsson > > > > Icetips Software > > > > San Antonio, Texas, USA > > > > www.icetips.com > > > > Subscribe to information from Icetips.com: > > > > http://www.icetips.com/getnotificationinfo.htm
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Randy Roger #15 / 43	OFF Topic: Mad Cow disease Steve, I'll bite :-) What's the difference between kosher and non-kosher slaughter process? Regards Randy Quote: > Or only eat kosher slaughtered animals. > Steve Parker > -------------------------------------------------- > kb and download center at: > www.par2.com > KB: http://www.par2.com/cws/c5launch.dll/FAQS/THEFAQS.exe.0 > -------------------------------------------------- > "The improbable, we do. The impossible takes a bit longer." > > Jim > > _almost_ makes you want to be a vegan :-) > > Regards > > Randy > > > If the slaughtering process is not done carefully, brain and spinal cord > > > matter can contaminate meat. > > > Jim. > > > > Hi Arnor. > > > > As my primary job is as a Dairy Cattle Veterinarian I thought I might > > make > > > a > > > > comment here too. > > > > Whilst vCJD is indeed different to CJD, the difference is in what > > > scientests > > > > see when they analyse brains at post mortem and in how the disease is > > > > transmitted. Both diseases look exactly the same clinically and are > > > > disastrous for those that get them. > > > > There are several related diseases - scrapie in sheep, kuru in man, > > > > Transmissible Mink Encephalopathy in mink), Chronic wasting disease of > > > Deer, > > > > and various others. > > > > The scary thing about these diseases is that they are the only known > > > > "infectious" diseases that contain no DNA or RNA. They are made > > entirely > > > of > > > > protein, and are labeled "Prions" for Protein Infectious Organisms. > > They > > > > are almost indestructible. Boiling temperature won't denature them I > > > can't > > > > really use the word Kill because they are not really a life form > > according > > > > to current definitions! > > > > They all seem to have preferences for different species - scrapie in > > sheep > > > > does not cause BSE in cattle. At least that used to be the > conventional > > > > wisdom. If you give scrapie to Minks, they get sick. If you then > feed > > > > these Mink to cattle, they develop BSE! > > > > In my humble opinion, these TSE's (Transmissible Spongiform > > > > Encepholopathies) are the scariest disease I've ever heard of. > > > > The good news is that it should be very easy to control - at least > from > > > the > > > > point of view of Human Health. > > > > Firstly, Don't eat Brains or spinal chords. The rest of the animal is > > > safe. > > > > Striated muscle meat (steaks, roasts, ground beef, etc.), fat, bone > and > > > milk > > > > are NOT infective, since these tissues do not contain the BSE- causing > > > > agent. This is something that as individuals we can all do and we will > > > then > > > > be quite safe. > > > > Secondly, don't feed animal protein to other animals. Feed sheep and > > > cattle > > > > foodstuffs made from plant material or animal fat. This is something > > that > > > > Governments can do (and for the most part already have done) at a > > > > legislative level. > > > > In Australia, we are quite lucky as we introduced laws which > prohibited > > > the > > > > feeding of animal protein to cloven hoofed animals more than 30 years > > ago > > > as > > > > a protection against the introduction of Foot and Mouth disease. It > is > > a > > > > major offense to feed swill to pigs in Australia! This probably saved > > us > > > > from getting BSE. > > > > In Summary, if you and your government follow 2 simple rules, you will > > be > > > > ok. > > > > Cheers! > > > > Dave Beggs > > > > (or should I be calling myself adsd9s87!?) > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > As the media is getting full of the usual "information" about mad > cow > > > > > (BSE) disease and Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (CJD) because of the BSE > > > > > outbreak in Canada, I thought I'd post here a little bit of _real > > > > > information<g> > > > > > The media is full of discussion about the CJD as being related to > Mad > > > > > Cow disease. That is actually not quite true. BSE is related to > what > > > > > is called a Variant CJD (vCJD), which is a different form of CJD. > > > > > From 1995 to 2002 there were less than 135 cases in Europe and North > > > > > America of this very, very rare disease, which is _probably_ related > > > > > to BSE. They are caused by viruses with similar molecular > structures, > > > > > and it has been strongly suggested by medical research that BSE > > > > > infected meat and brains can cause vCJD in humans. BSE is related > to > > > > > the scrapies virus in sheep which is one of the smallest and > toughest > > > > > viruses around. The scrapies virus is known to tolerate 3 hours of > > > > > boiling and is suspected to be able to live for years without a host > > > > > in rather hostile natural environments like we have in Iceland<g> > BSE > > > > > is thought to have come from scrapies infected sheep that were used > in > > > > > meat-bone meal used to feed cows in Britain in the eighties. > > > > > CJD is a brain disease with 100% fatality rate with about 1 deaths > in > > > > > a million people pr. year in the US. CJD usually targets older > > > > > people. vCJD targets younger people and the average age at death 29 > > > > > years. In the US, the death rate in <30 from CJD is about 1 in a > > > > > hundred million people or about 2-3 cases pr. year. > > > > > The chances of getting infected by vCJD from a BSE infected > meat/brain > > > > > are very, very small. The changes of getting infected by regular > CJD > > > > > from a BSE infected meat/brain are absolutely NONE. The chances of > > > > > the virus being infected by meat are much much smaller than by > > > > > nervesystem material such as nerves, spinal cord or brain tissue. > > > > > Once the connection was made between BSE and vCJD the meat > processing > > > > > plants slowly started to change the way they handle meat and cut it > > > > > which has reduced a lot the amount of nerves in the meat used in > > > > > hamburgers and other processed food. > > > > > For some real information about these diseases, I would suggest > going > > > > > to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) website at > > > > > http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/cjd/cjd.htm which is at the > > > > > National Center for Infectious Diseases. The British CJD > Surveilance > > > > > Unit web page also has lot of information at > http://www.cjd.ed.ac.uk/ > > > > > Thought prehaps someone would be interested:) > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Arnr Baldvinsson > > > > > Icetips Software > > > > > San Antonio, Texas, USA > > > > > www.icetips.com > > > > > Subscribe to information from Icetips.com: > > > > > http://www.icetips.com/getnotificationinfo.htm
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