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Kelvin Chu #1 / 16
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Bugs, bugs, bugs!!!! So many bugs around, here and there!! Actually we should celebrate as we had managed to corner the bugs at its BETA. But........ won't it be better for TOPSPEED to update all bugs found in a list located in ftp such as IceTips, if possible be updated daily, or weekly, so that anyone who is testing the BETA need not waste their precious time over the already realized errors. Especially I had noticed that Mr Arnold had been answering the RI Delete problem ample times. Certainly Mr Arnold is helpful and would not mind but isn't it better to maintain a list????? Just a thought.... Kelvin Chua Software Specialist AccPro Computer Systems Pte Ltd SINGAPORE
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Wed, 03 May 2000 03:00:00 GMT |
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Chris Klos #2 / 16
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I agree. I also think a formal wish list for features in the next CW version would be useful. I started a thread about a wish list for a report generator but it didn't attract very much interest. chris
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> Bugs, bugs, bugs!!!! > So many bugs around, here and there!! Actually we should > celebrate as we had managed to corner the bugs at its > BETA. > But........ won't it be better for TOPSPEED to update all > bugs found in a list located in ftp such as IceTips, if > possible be updated daily, or weekly, so that anyone who > is testing the BETA need not waste their precious time > over the already realized errors. Especially I had noticed > that Mr Arnold had been answering the RI Delete problem ample > times. Certainly Mr Arnold is helpful and would not mind > but isn't it better to maintain a list????? > Just a thought.... > Kelvin Chua > Software Specialist > AccPro Computer Systems Pte Ltd > SINGAPORE
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Thu, 04 May 2000 03:00:00 GMT |
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Richard A. Higgin #3 / 16
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The problem is that when one is reported (or is supposedly a bug) there is no acknowledgement, so we don't know if it is a bug or something we are not doing correctly, or whatever. If there was a list, then we could see if it is in fact a bug, or at least a reported one. I've entered the fact that in a tabbed form, information on the second tab is being displayed on each record, not just the one that it was suppose to be on. I have reposted it. I have never gotten any acknowledgement about it one way or the other. This type of thing is frustrating. The other frustrating thing is that we read about all these wonderful bug fixes for over a month, knowing that we can't get the fixes, probably until CW4 goes gold. -- Richard A. Higgins Higginsoft Software
http://www2.digigraf.com/wingroup/rahe/
Quote: > Kelvin, > BTW - In any list, would'nt you be wasting your time looking for a reported bug > rather than just reporting it? <bg> > -- > Russell B. Eggen > Topspeed Corporation
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> | > |But........ won't it be better for TOPSPEED to update all > |bugs found in a list located in ftp such as IceTips, if > |possible be updated daily, or weekly, so that anyone who > |is testing the BETA need not waste their precious time > |over the already realized errors. Especially I had noticed > |that Mr Arnold had been answering the RI Delete problem ample > |times. Certainly Mr Arnold is helpful and would not mind > |but isn't it better to maintain a list????? > | > |Just a thought.... > | > |Kelvin Chua > |Software Specialist > |AccPro Computer Systems Pte Ltd > |SINGAPORE
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Thu, 04 May 2000 03:00:00 GMT |
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Topspe #4 / 16
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Kelvin, You suggestion has merit, but at this time is not practical for us to implement this late in the game. However, all bugs reported (and in some cases fixed) can be found on the beta newsgroup, so your idea already exists (just not in the form you wanted <g>) BTW - In any list, would'nt you be wasting your time looking for a reported bug rather than just reporting it? <bg> -- Russell B. Eggen Topspeed Corporation
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| |But........ won't it be better for TOPSPEED to update all |bugs found in a list located in ftp such as IceTips, if |possible be updated daily, or weekly, so that anyone who |is testing the BETA need not waste their precious time |over the already realized errors. Especially I had noticed |that Mr Arnold had been answering the RI Delete problem ample |times. Certainly Mr Arnold is helpful and would not mind |but isn't it better to maintain a list????? | |Just a thought.... | |Kelvin Chua |Software Specialist |AccPro Computer Systems Pte Ltd |SINGAPORE
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Thu, 04 May 2000 03:00:00 GMT |
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Kelvin Chu #5 / 16
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Quote: > Kelvin, > You suggestion has merit, but at this time is not practical for us to implement > this late in the game. However, all bugs reported (and in some cases fixed) can > be found on the beta newsgroup, so your idea already exists (just not in the > form you wanted <g>) > BTW - In any list, would'nt you be wasting your time looking for a reported bug > rather than just reporting it? <bg> > -- > Russell B. Eggen > Topspeed Corporation
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Mr Russell B. Eggen, I fully agreed with your point of view, it is practically valid and viable. Quote: > You suggestion has merit, but at this time is not practical for us to implement > this late in the game.
I do not mind if it really bear any merits, what I mind if anyone from the newsgroup were to benefit from it. '..at this time is not practical', I would say it is better late than never. The 'comp.lang.clarion' is there not because C4 BETA is there. In such a list, residing in a ftp:/ will clearly state the type of bugs, the type of fixes and availability of fixes; in which version, etcs, as what TOPSPEED has been doing in providing the fixes.doc in previous versions. BTW, if only Clarion 4 bear bugs, then it is certainly too late for us to implement such a suggestion that benefit all others and also to show everyone that TOPSPEED show bearings on its bugs. This mere mutual understanding is to be established especially when all the end-users, developers are assisting in producing a bugs- free application development tool that will eventually sell and market itself. Quote: > However, all bugs reported (and in some cases fixed) can > be found on the beta newsgroup, so your idea already exists (just not in the > form you wanted <g>)
It is already there, but not in an organised manner. Who on earth knows which is confirmed as the 'confirmed bug', who really knows that it had been fixed. Taking for example (please browse through the newsgroup thyself), Mr Arnold had answered the RI Delete at leaste 7 times in the newsgroup, certainly Mr Arnold could have provided more assistance on other bugs if the time consumed is not requested by other users. What we need is the leader; one who can organise all the bugs and fixes, for that I name TOPSPEED, one of which we always have the faith on, that is why we are still using CLARION. Quote: > BTW - In any list, would'nt you be wasting your time looking for a reported bug > rather than just reporting it? <bg>
There is such a case, I forgotten when was it, one of the regular visitor of the newsgroup alerted everyone that there was such a 'virus' in the internet, but he was totally ignored and laughed at. At the end of the day, he start writing and cursing everyone, "What the heck.. it was my good intentions to report such virus.. and I was treated like 'shit'....' The problem is that everyone knows that it was a hoax except the someone out there who is as concerned. And the everyone and someone is standing at different view point, thus eventual conflicts arises..... I believe that such a list is needed in all versions, prior to C4 or even the eventual C4 GOLD, we still need a list as 'C4 bugs and fixes'. Just my humble opinion, please correct me. Kelvin Chua Software Specialist AccPro Computer Systems Pte Ltd SINGAPORE
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Fri, 05 May 2000 03:00:00 GMT |
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Martin All #6 / 16
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>There is such a case, I forgotten when was it, one of the regular >visitor of the newsgroup alerted everyone that there was such a 'virus' in the >internet, but he was totally ignored and laughed at. At the end of the day, he start >writing and cursing everyone, "What the heck.. it was my good intentions to report >such virus.. and I was treated like 'shit'....' >The problem is that everyone knows that it was a hoax except the someone >out there who is as concerned. And the everyone and someone is standing at >different view point, thus eventual conflicts arises.....
Mr Kelvin The virus alert I posted (if that is the one you are referring to) was not a hoax. It took a week for me to find it and disinfect over 100 computers in 3 different sites. The virus was "anxiety.poppy.95". Try if your anti-virus program detects it (very unlikely). Then search your executables (com, dll, exe) for a string "poppy.95". If you find it, good luck with your "hoax" virus. Other thing: I did not curse anyone nor did I complained for being treated like 's**t' as you say. Best regards, Martin Allen, Lantana FL
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Sat, 27 May 2000 03:00:00 GMT |
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Mick_ #7 / 16
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I think we have here two entirely different messages. You may have found a virus, but the one that got people fired up was a hoax, a so called message virus, doesn't matter what the name. No message can generate a virus on a machine from just reading it. Now if it has some program attached and you open the program yes you can get a virus. So I think the two of you need to have a coke and a smile and calm down a little. Mick Quote:
>>There is such a case, I forgotten when was it, one of the regular >>visitor of the newsgroup alerted everyone that there was such a 'virus' in the >>internet, but he was totally ignored and laughed at. At the end of the day, he start >>writing and cursing everyone, "What the heck.. it was my good intentions to report >>such virus.. and I was treated like 'shit'....' >>The problem is that everyone knows that it was a hoax except the someone >>out there who is as concerned. And the everyone and someone is standing at >>different view point, thus eventual conflicts arises..... >Mr Kelvin >The virus alert I posted (if that is the one you are referring to) was not >a hoax. It took a week for me to find it and disinfect over 100 computers >in 3 different sites. The virus was "anxiety.poppy.95". Try if your >anti-virus program detects it (very unlikely). Then search your executables >(com, dll, exe) for a string "poppy.95". If you find it, good luck with >your "hoax" virus. >Other thing: I did not curse anyone nor did I complained for being treated >like 's**t' as you say. >Best regards, > Martin Allen, Lantana FL
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Sat, 27 May 2000 03:00:00 GMT |
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Andre Haywa #8 / 16
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>Mr Kelvin
Martin Allen, Lantana FL Hi, I note one interesting thing about this thread and that is the mixing up of names and surnames. Normally you 'Mr.' somebody when referring to his surname and omit the Mr. when you use his name. The thread started off with Mr. Arnor. We learnt from our visitor from Taiwan recently that the surname is used first in Eastern Countries and is followed by their names. Her name was for example Yo I-gen - pronounced 'Yo eeee gen' with special attention of course to the voice tone. Her family name is 'Yo'. So I gather that you would formally address Kelvin Chua as Mr. Kelvin while you would speak to Martin as Mr. Allen. (That now is to say if my 'Chinese knowledge' could be applied in this case:-) Best Regards Andr Hayward.
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Sun, 28 May 2000 03:00:00 GMT |
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Rolf Aage Ols #9 / 16
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How did you find it if anti-virus programs cannot, ev. which program can find it? Rolf A Olsen Quote: >The virus alert I posted (if that is the one you are referring to) was not >a hoax. It took a week for me to find it and disinfect over 100 computers >in 3 different sites. The virus was "anxiety.poppy.95". Try if your >anti-virus program detects it (very unlikely). Then search your executables >(com, dll, exe) for a string "poppy.95". If you find it, good luck with >your "hoax" virus. >Other thing: I did not curse anyone nor did I complained for being treated >like 's**t' as you say. >Best regards, > Martin Allen, Lantana FL
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Sun, 28 May 2000 03:00:00 GMT |
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Kurt Pawlikowsk #10 / 16
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Martin, Don't get to mad about responses on the news group! To be sure, your intentions were (and ARE) in the right place. Yes, sometimes we kill the messenger (well, not me personally!). I'd rather disregard ten false alarms than have one "{*filter*}-gram" sneak through. The more complex the systems we use get, the easier it is for some ingenious prankster to figure a way in.... Just think of how mad someone would be if you DIDN'T tell them about the possibility of this critter and they got it? A case of "shoe in the other mouth"! Regards, kurtt Quote:
> The virus alert I posted (if that is the one you are referring to) was not > a hoax. It took a week for me to find it and disinfect over 100 computers > in 3 different sites. The virus was "anxiety.poppy.95". Try if your > anti-virus program detects it (very unlikely). Then search your executables > (com, dll, exe) for a string "poppy.95". If you find it, good luck with > your "hoax" virus. > Other thing: I did not curse anyone nor did I complained for being treated > like 's**t' as you say.
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Sun, 28 May 2000 03:00:00 GMT |
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Martin All #11 / 16
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> Don't get to mad about responses on the news group! To be sure, your intentions were >(and ARE) in the right place. Yes, sometimes we kill the messenger (well, not me >personally!). I'd rather disregard ten false alarms than have one "{*filter*}-gram" sneak >through. The more complex the systems we use get, the easier it is for some ingenious >prankster to figure a way in....
Kurt, No. You got me all wrong. I never got mad for the response of my virus alert. I was surprised (very), but not mad. The point is: I did not curse anyone or complained for being treated like s*** as Kelvin Chua claimed. DID *everyone* REALLY *know* that it was a hoax alert?? Based on what? I wish Kelvin Chua would PROVE my virus alert a hoax. I can prove it *real*, if it comes to that (I thought I already did this several weeks ago). Best regards, Martin Allen, Lantana FL
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Sun, 28 May 2000 03:00:00 GMT |
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Kelvin Chu #12 / 16
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> >Mr Kelvin > Martin Allen, Lantana FL > Hi, > Best Regards > Andr Hayward.
Mr Andre Hayward, You are right!! But... we in eastern here mostly add a 'Mr' to show our respect when corresponding with anyone. Certainly Mr Chua should be the proper address as Chua is my family surname. But... Mr Kelvin Chua is also acceptable. For those know me, they may even simply address me as Hi Kelvin, or Hi there...etcs. In Chinese proverb, "Treat each others with manners, the people will behave rationally!!", thus it is always our practice to show our respect to each others. Thanks for your interest with the Eastern Values... -- Kelvin Chua AccPro Computer Systems Pte Ltd Tel: +65 546 2638 Fax: +65 546 2640 SINGAPORE
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Sun, 28 May 2000 03:00:00 GMT |
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Kelvin Chu #13 / 16
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> Kurt, > No. You got me all wrong. I never got mad for the response of my virus > alert. I was surprised (very), but not mad. The point is: I did not curse > anyone or complained for being treated like s*** as Kelvin Chua claimed. > DID *everyone* REALLY *know* that it was a hoax alert?? Based on what? > I wish Kelvin Chua would PROVE my virus alert a hoax. I can prove it > *real*, if it comes to that (I thought I already did this several weeks > ago). > Best regards, > Martin Allen, Lantana FL
Mr Martin Allen, May be I had referenced some events unintentionally, the poppy.95 virus is hereby confirmed not a hoax!! I personally keep almost 4320 viruses (live) till todate. If you are interested, I can email 1000 to you and you may add it to your collection. I had safety packed them within a file. But... if you were to release them, it really create havoc, thus only do it on a separate individual computer. I apologize if I had caused any misunderstanding, Sorry!! NB: Do email me if you are interested with viruses!! Thank you. -- Kelvin Chua AccPro Computer Systems Pte Ltd Tel: +65 546 2638 Fax: +65 546 2640 SINGAPORE
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Sun, 28 May 2000 03:00:00 GMT |
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Kelvin Chu #14 / 16
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> How did you find it if anti-virus programs cannot, ev. which program > can find it? > Rolf A Olsen
Mr Rolf A Olsen, There are still many viruses which cannot be detected by anti-virus program. Such as the STAT virus can only be detect by the SCAN.exe that was released in 1978 but not the SCAN.EXE that was released later, and so on and so forth. I had tested almost all my collection of viruses and found that many many could not be detected. But even if it can be detected, you can simply create another one out of the range, with the Virus Creation Lab which I am having. I keep 4000 - 5000 live viruses as one of my computer hobby, please email me if you want live viruses, 1000 viruses per diskette, and also the Virus Creation Lab. Thank you and remain, -- Kelvin Chua AccPro Computer Systems Pte Ltd Tel: +65 546 2638 Fax: +65 546 2640 SINGAPORE
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Sun, 28 May 2000 03:00:00 GMT |
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Andrew Guidroz I #15 / 16
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> Certainly Mr Chua should be the > proper address as Chua is my family surname.
The problem also comes in that our newsgroup software sometimes tries to put that greeting in. And, depending on how the recipient has their name coded, you can get weird results. I have a friend I correspond with who has his name in the form JohnDoe with no space. So, when I send him mail, my software says Dear JohnDoe. - Andrew Guidroz II (GeeTroze) "There shall be in England seven halfpenny loaves sold for a penny; the three-hooped pot shall have ten hoops; and I will make it felony to drink small beer." http://www.coonass.com SnowDog Software
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