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Bugs, bugs, bugs!!!!

So many bugs around, here and there!!  Actually we should
celebrate as we had managed to corner the bugs at its
BETA.

But........ won't it be better for TOPSPEED to update all
bugs found in a list located in ftp such as IceTips, if
possible be updated daily, or weekly, so that anyone who
is testing the BETA need not waste their precious time
over the already realized errors.  Especially I had noticed
that Mr Arnold had been answering the RI Delete problem ample
times.  Certainly Mr Arnold is helpful and would not mind
but isn't it better to maintain a list?????

Just a thought....

Kelvin Chua
Software Specialist
AccPro Computer Systems Pte Ltd
SINGAPORE



Wed, 03 May 2000 03:00:00 GMT  
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I agree.  I also think a formal wish list for features in the next CW
version would be useful.  I started a thread about a wish list for a
report generator but it didn't attract very much interest.

chris

Quote:

> Bugs, bugs, bugs!!!!

> So many bugs around, here and there!!  Actually we should
> celebrate as we had managed to corner the bugs at its
> BETA.

> But........ won't it be better for TOPSPEED to update all
> bugs found in a list located in ftp such as IceTips, if
> possible be updated daily, or weekly, so that anyone who
> is testing the BETA need not waste their precious time
> over the already realized errors.  Especially I had noticed
> that Mr Arnold had been answering the RI Delete problem ample
> times.  Certainly Mr Arnold is helpful and would not mind
> but isn't it better to maintain a list?????

> Just a thought....

> Kelvin Chua
> Software Specialist
> AccPro Computer Systems Pte Ltd
> SINGAPORE



Thu, 04 May 2000 03:00:00 GMT  
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The problem is that when one is reported (or is supposedly a bug) there is
no acknowledgement, so we don't know if it is a bug or something we are not
doing correctly, or whatever. If there was a list, then we could see if it
is in fact a bug, or at least a reported one.

I've entered the fact that in a tabbed form, information on the second tab
is being displayed on each record, not just the one that it was suppose to
be on. I have reposted it. I have never gotten any acknowledgement about it
one way or the other. This type of thing is frustrating.

The other frustrating thing is that we read about all these wonderful bug
fixes for over a month, knowing that we can't get the fixes, probably until
CW4 goes gold.
--
Richard A. Higgins
Higginsoft Software


http://www2.digigraf.com/wingroup/rahe/



Quote:
> Kelvin,
> BTW - In any list, would'nt you be wasting your time looking for a
reported bug
> rather than just reporting it? <bg>

> --
> Russell B. Eggen
> Topspeed Corporation

> [Using MS Outlook]


> |
> |But........ won't it be better for TOPSPEED to update all
> |bugs found in a list located in ftp such as IceTips, if
> |possible be updated daily, or weekly, so that anyone who
> |is testing the BETA need not waste their precious time
> |over the already realized errors.  Especially I had noticed
> |that Mr Arnold had been answering the RI Delete problem ample
> |times.  Certainly Mr Arnold is helpful and would not mind
> |but isn't it better to maintain a list?????
> |
> |Just a thought....
> |
> |Kelvin Chua
> |Software Specialist
> |AccPro Computer Systems Pte Ltd
> |SINGAPORE



Thu, 04 May 2000 03:00:00 GMT  
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Kelvin,

You suggestion has merit, but at this time is not practical for us to implement
this late in the game.  However, all bugs reported (and in some cases fixed) can
be found on the beta newsgroup, so your idea already exists (just not in the
form you wanted <g>)

BTW - In any list, would'nt you be wasting your time looking for a reported bug
rather than just reporting it? <bg>

--
Russell B. Eggen
Topspeed Corporation

[Using MS Outlook]

|
|But........ won't it be better for TOPSPEED to update all
|bugs found in a list located in ftp such as IceTips, if
|possible be updated daily, or weekly, so that anyone who
|is testing the BETA need not waste their precious time
|over the already realized errors.  Especially I had noticed
|that Mr Arnold had been answering the RI Delete problem ample
|times.  Certainly Mr Arnold is helpful and would not mind
|but isn't it better to maintain a list?????
|
|Just a thought....
|
|Kelvin Chua
|Software Specialist
|AccPro Computer Systems Pte Ltd
|SINGAPORE



Thu, 04 May 2000 03:00:00 GMT  
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Quote:

> Kelvin,

> You suggestion has merit, but at this time is not practical for us to implement
> this late in the game.  However, all bugs reported (and in some cases fixed) can
> be found on the beta newsgroup, so your idea already exists (just not in the
> form you wanted <g>)

> BTW - In any list, would'nt you be wasting your time looking for a reported bug
> rather than just reporting it? <bg>

> --
> Russell B. Eggen
> Topspeed Corporation

> [Using MS Outlook]

Mr Russell B. Eggen,

I fully agreed with your point of view, it is practically valid and
viable.

Quote:
> You suggestion has merit, but at this time is not practical for us to implement
> this late in the game.

I do not mind if it really bear any merits, what I mind if anyone from
the
newsgroup were to benefit from it.  '..at this time is not practical', I
would say
it is better late than never.  The 'comp.lang.clarion' is there not
because C4 BETA
is there.  In such a list, residing in a ftp:/ will clearly state the
type of
bugs, the type of fixes and availability of fixes; in which version,
etcs, as what
TOPSPEED has been doing in providing the fixes.doc in previous versions.
BTW, if
only Clarion 4 bear bugs, then it is certainly too late for us to
implement such
a suggestion that benefit all others and also to show everyone that
TOPSPEED show
bearings on its bugs.  This mere mutual understanding is to be
established
especially when all the end-users, developers are assisting in producing
a bugs-
free application development tool that will eventually sell and market
itself.

Quote:
> However, all bugs reported (and in some cases fixed) can
> be found on the beta newsgroup, so your idea already exists (just not in the
> form you wanted <g>)

It is already there, but not in an organised manner.  Who on earth knows
which is
confirmed as the 'confirmed bug', who really knows that it had been
fixed.  Taking
for example (please browse through the newsgroup thyself), Mr Arnold had
answered
the RI Delete at leaste 7 times in the newsgroup, certainly Mr Arnold
could have
provided more assistance on other bugs if the time consumed is not
requested by
other users.

What we need is the leader; one who can organise all the bugs and fixes,
for that
I name TOPSPEED, one of which we always have the faith on, that is why
we are
still using CLARION.

Quote:
> BTW - In any list, would'nt you be wasting your time looking for a reported bug
> rather than just reporting it? <bg>

There is such a case, I forgotten when was it, one of the regular
visitor of the
newsgroup alerted everyone that there was such a 'virus' in the
internet, but he
was totally ignored and laughed at.  At the end of the day, he start
writing and
cursing everyone, "What the heck.. it was my good intentions to report
such virus..
and I was treated like 'shit'....'

The problem is that everyone knows that it was a hoax except the someone
out there
who is as concerned.  And the everyone and someone is standing at
different view
point, thus eventual conflicts arises.....

I believe that such a list is needed in all versions, prior to C4 or
even the
eventual C4 GOLD, we still need a list as 'C4 bugs and fixes'.

Just my humble opinion, please correct me.

Kelvin Chua
Software Specialist
AccPro Computer Systems Pte Ltd
SINGAPORE



Fri, 05 May 2000 03:00:00 GMT  
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Quote:

>There is such a case, I forgotten when was it, one of the regular
>visitor of the newsgroup alerted everyone that there was such a 'virus' in the
>internet, but he was totally ignored and laughed at.  At the end of the day, he start
>writing and cursing everyone, "What the heck.. it was my good intentions to report
>such virus.. and I was treated like 'shit'....'
>The problem is that everyone knows that it was a hoax except the someone
>out there who is as concerned.  And the everyone and someone is standing at
>different view point, thus eventual conflicts arises.....

Mr Kelvin

The virus alert I posted (if that is the one you are referring to) was not
a hoax. It took a week for me to find it and disinfect over 100 computers
in 3 different sites. The virus was "anxiety.poppy.95". Try if your
anti-virus program detects it (very unlikely). Then search your executables
(com, dll, exe) for a string "poppy.95". If you find it, good luck with
your "hoax" virus.

Other thing: I did not curse anyone nor did I complained for being treated
like 's**t' as you say.

Best regards,

                Martin Allen, Lantana FL



Sat, 27 May 2000 03:00:00 GMT  
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I think we have here two entirely different messages. You may have  found a
virus, but the one that got people fired up was a hoax, a so called message
virus, doesn't matter what the name. No message can generate a virus on a
machine from just reading it. Now if it has some program attached and you
open the program yes you can get a virus. So I think the two of you need to
have a coke and a smile and calm down a little.

Mick

Quote:


>>There is such a case, I forgotten when was it, one of the regular
>>visitor of the newsgroup alerted everyone that there was such a 'virus' in
the
>>internet, but he was totally ignored and laughed at.  At the end of the
day, he start
>>writing and cursing everyone, "What the heck.. it was my good intentions
to report
>>such virus.. and I was treated like 'shit'....'

>>The problem is that everyone knows that it was a hoax except the someone
>>out there who is as concerned.  And the everyone and someone is standing
at
>>different view point, thus eventual conflicts arises.....

>Mr Kelvin

>The virus alert I posted (if that is the one you are referring to) was not
>a hoax. It took a week for me to find it and disinfect over 100 computers
>in 3 different sites. The virus was "anxiety.poppy.95". Try if your
>anti-virus program detects it (very unlikely). Then search your executables
>(com, dll, exe) for a string "poppy.95". If you find it, good luck with
>your "hoax" virus.

>Other thing: I did not curse anyone nor did I complained for being treated
>like 's**t' as you say.

>Best regards,

> Martin Allen, Lantana FL



Sat, 27 May 2000 03:00:00 GMT  
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Quote:

>Mr Kelvin

Martin Allen, Lantana FL

Hi,

I note one interesting thing about this thread and that is the mixing
up of names and surnames.  Normally you 'Mr.' somebody when referring
to his surname and omit the Mr. when you use his name.  The thread
started off with Mr. Arnor.

We learnt from our visitor from Taiwan recently that the surname is
used first in Eastern Countries and is followed by their names.  Her
name was for example Yo I-gen - pronounced 'Yo  eeee gen' with special
attention of course to the voice tone.  Her family name is 'Yo'.

So I gather that you would formally address Kelvin  Chua as Mr. Kelvin
while you would speak to Martin as Mr. Allen.

(That now is to say if my 'Chinese knowledge' could be applied in this
case:-)

Best Regards

Andr Hayward.



Sun, 28 May 2000 03:00:00 GMT  
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How did you find it if anti-virus programs cannot, ev. which program
can find it?

Rolf A Olsen

Quote:
>The virus alert I posted (if that is the one you are referring to) was not
>a hoax. It took a week for me to find it and disinfect over 100 computers
>in 3 different sites. The virus was "anxiety.poppy.95". Try if your
>anti-virus program detects it (very unlikely). Then search your executables
>(com, dll, exe) for a string "poppy.95". If you find it, good luck with
>your "hoax" virus.

>Other thing: I did not curse anyone nor did I complained for being treated
>like 's**t' as you say.

>Best regards,

>            Martin Allen, Lantana FL



Sun, 28 May 2000 03:00:00 GMT  
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Martin,
    Don't get to mad about responses on the news group! To be sure, your intentions were
(and ARE) in the right place. Yes, sometimes we kill the messenger (well, not me
personally!). I'd rather disregard ten false alarms than have one "{*filter*}-gram" sneak
through. The more complex the systems we use get, the easier it is for some ingenious
prankster to figure a way in....
    Just think of how mad someone would be if you DIDN'T tell them about the possibility
of this critter and they got it? A case of  "shoe in the other mouth"!

    Regards,

    kurtt

Quote:

> The virus alert I posted (if that is the one you are referring to) was not
> a hoax. It took a week for me to find it and disinfect over 100 computers
> in 3 different sites. The virus was "anxiety.poppy.95". Try if your
> anti-virus program detects it (very unlikely). Then search your executables
> (com, dll, exe) for a string "poppy.95". If you find it, good luck with
> your "hoax" virus.

> Other thing: I did not curse anyone nor did I complained for being treated
> like 's**t' as you say.



Sun, 28 May 2000 03:00:00 GMT  
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Quote:

>    Don't get to mad about responses on the news group! To be sure, your intentions were
>(and ARE) in the right place. Yes, sometimes we kill the messenger (well, not me
>personally!). I'd rather disregard ten false alarms than have one "{*filter*}-gram" sneak
>through. The more complex the systems we use get, the easier it is for some ingenious
>prankster to figure a way in....

Kurt,

No. You got me all wrong. I never got mad for the response of my virus
alert. I was surprised (very), but not mad. The point is: I did not curse
anyone or complained for being treated like s*** as Kelvin Chua claimed.
DID *everyone* REALLY *know* that it was a hoax alert?? Based on what?
I wish Kelvin Chua would PROVE my virus alert a hoax. I can prove it
*real*, if it comes to that (I thought I already did this several weeks
ago).

Best regards,

                Martin Allen, Lantana FL



Sun, 28 May 2000 03:00:00 GMT  
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Quote:


> >Mr Kelvin

> Martin Allen, Lantana FL

> Hi,

> Best Regards

> Andr Hayward.

Mr Andre Hayward,

You are right!!

But... we in eastern here mostly add a 'Mr' to show our respect
when corresponding with anyone.  Certainly Mr Chua should be the
proper address as Chua is my family surname.  But... Mr Kelvin
Chua is also acceptable.  For those know me, they may even simply
address me as Hi Kelvin, or Hi there...etcs.

In Chinese proverb, "Treat each others with manners, the people
will behave rationally!!", thus it is always our practice to
show our respect to each others.

Thanks for your interest with the Eastern Values...

--
Kelvin Chua
AccPro Computer Systems Pte Ltd
Tel: +65 546 2638
Fax: +65 546 2640
SINGAPORE


http://accpro.com



Sun, 28 May 2000 03:00:00 GMT  
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Quote:

> Kurt,

> No. You got me all wrong. I never got mad for the response of my virus
> alert. I was surprised (very), but not mad. The point is: I did not curse
> anyone or complained for being treated like s*** as Kelvin Chua claimed.
> DID *everyone* REALLY *know* that it was a hoax alert?? Based on what?
> I wish Kelvin Chua would PROVE my virus alert a hoax. I can prove it
> *real*, if it comes to that (I thought I already did this several weeks
> ago).

> Best regards,

>                 Martin Allen, Lantana FL

Mr Martin Allen,

May be I had referenced some events unintentionally, the poppy.95 virus
is hereby confirmed not a hoax!!  I personally keep almost 4320 viruses
(live) till todate.  If you are interested, I can email 1000 to you and
you may add it to your collection.  I had safety packed them within a
file.  But... if you were to release them, it really create havoc, thus
only do it on a separate individual computer.

I apologize if I had caused any misunderstanding, Sorry!!

NB:  Do email me if you are interested with viruses!!

Thank you.

--
Kelvin Chua
AccPro Computer Systems Pte Ltd
Tel: +65 546 2638
Fax: +65 546 2640
SINGAPORE


http://accpro.com



Sun, 28 May 2000 03:00:00 GMT  
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Quote:

> How did you find it if anti-virus programs cannot, ev. which program
> can find it?

> Rolf A Olsen

Mr Rolf A Olsen,

There are still many viruses which cannot be detected by anti-virus
program.  Such as the STAT virus can only be detect by the SCAN.exe
that was released in 1978 but not the SCAN.EXE that was released
later, and so on and so forth.

I had tested almost all my collection of viruses and found that
many many could not be detected.  But even if it can be detected,
you can simply create another one out of the range, with the
Virus Creation Lab which I am having.

I keep 4000 - 5000 live viruses as one of my computer hobby, please
email me if you want live viruses, 1000 viruses per diskette, and
also the Virus Creation Lab.

Thank you and remain,

--
Kelvin Chua
AccPro Computer Systems Pte Ltd
Tel: +65 546 2638
Fax: +65 546 2640
SINGAPORE


http://accpro.com



Sun, 28 May 2000 03:00:00 GMT  
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Quote:

> Certainly Mr Chua should be the
> proper address as Chua is my family surname.

    The problem also comes in that our newsgroup software sometimes
tries to put that greeting in.  And, depending on how the recipient has
their name coded, you can get weird results.  I have a friend I
correspond with who has his name in the form JohnDoe with no space.  
So, when I send him mail, my software says Dear JohnDoe.

 - Andrew Guidroz II (GeeTroze)

"There shall be in England seven halfpenny loaves sold for a penny;
the three-hooped pot shall have ten hoops;
and I will make it felony to drink small beer."

http://www.coonass.com  SnowDog Software  



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