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Need 'White Hat Virus'

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Stac #1 / 20	Need 'White Hat Virus' Is it possible to write a macro (or .exe) which will remove my email from the recipient's address book? I am sick and tired of being bombarded with viruses for weeks by the same persons, and am ready to 'fight back'. Sending them polite email notifying them that they're infected, and that they are constantly sending out more infected emails doesn't have any effect (this is a real email address, btw), so I am ready to take things into my own hand now. Since they are so stupid as to get infected in the first place, and then actually not doing anything about it for over a week, they would probably also activate any attachment I would send them. Since I know which of my emails they are using, it should be possible to remove that entry from the contact list (I assume they are using Outlook). Has anybody done something like this before? Would it be hard to do? I would assume that there'd be quite a demand for a tool like this, that would finally let us fight back against those virus spreading morons... Thanks!
Sat, 31 Jul 2004 13:10:05 GMT

dsavits #2 / 20	Need 'White Hat Virus' you should simply set up a filter in your mail program to block mail from the sender. clearly having the power to easily run arbitrary code on someone else's computer, even if you intend it for good, would be a bad thing. -d Quote: > Is it possible to write a macro (or .exe) which will remove my > email from the recipient's address book? > I am sick and tired of being bombarded with viruses for weeks > by the same persons, and am ready to 'fight back'. Sending them > polite email notifying them that they're infected, and that > they are constantly sending out more infected emails doesn't > have any effect (this is a real email address, btw), so I am > ready to take things into my own hand now. > Since they are so stupid as to get infected in the first place, > and then actually not doing anything about it for over a week, > they would probably also activate any attachment I would send > them. Since I know which of my emails they are using, it should > be possible to remove that entry from the contact list (I assume > they are using Outlook). > Has anybody done something like this before? > Would it be hard to do? > I would assume that there'd be quite a demand for a tool like > this, that would finally let us fight back against those virus > spreading morons... > Thanks!
Sat, 31 Jul 2004 13:20:48 GMT

Frank Ad #3 / 20	Need 'White Hat Virus' Quote: >Is it possible to write a macro (or .exe) which will remove my >email from the recipient's address book? <snip> Um, Stacey. If you have their email, then simply filter their mail into your trash. Your virus scanner will likely still have some ideas about complaining and that's annoying, i agree. However, for taking the law in your hands you won't find too many willing participants here. Not to mention that you will be liable for any lost information on those other's machines..{filter}for tat doesn't cut it in court. Not everyone (read most users) is a power user and most are not even aware of a virus on their system. Especially since some worms send the infected emails out without the users' knowledge. Regards, Frank
Sat, 31 Jul 2004 13:22:58 GMT

Bob Harve #4 / 20	Need 'White Hat Virus' Why don't you use "Block Sender" and return all emails to the sender? Then use VB's MAPI to send them say 1000 duplicate POLITE emails detailing why the moron should remove you from his address book Writing a virus to attack a moron might sound good. But unfortunately it is not against the law to be a moron. It is against the law to create a program that would modify a moron's data without the moron's permission. Quote: > Is it possible to write a macro (or .exe) which will remove my > email from the recipient's address book? > I am sick and tired of being bombarded with viruses for weeks > by the same persons, and am ready to 'fight back'. Sending them > polite email notifying them that they're infected, and that > they are constantly sending out more infected emails doesn't > have any effect (this is a real email address, btw), so I am > ready to take things into my own hand now. > Since they are so stupid as to get infected in the first place, > and then actually not doing anything about it for over a week, > they would probably also activate any attachment I would send > them. Since I know which of my emails they are using, it should > be possible to remove that entry from the contact list (I assume > they are using Outlook). > Has anybody done something like this before? > Would it be hard to do? > I would assume that there'd be quite a demand for a tool like > this, that would finally let us fight back against those virus > spreading morons... > Thanks!
Fri, 30 Jul 2004 13:43:42 GMT

Terry Austi #5 / 20	Need 'White Hat Virus' Quote: >Is it possible to write a macro (or .exe) which will remove my >email from the recipient's address book? Almost certainly, if you're willing to do the time in federal prison. And make no mistake, it is a felony. -- http://www.hyperbooks.com/ Metacreator character software now available
Sat, 31 Jul 2004 13:42:12 GMT

Terry Austi #6 / 20	Need 'White Hat Virus' Quote: >>Is it possible to write a macro (or .exe) which will remove my >>email from the recipient's address book? ><snip> >Um, Stacey. >If you have their email, then simply filter their mail into your >trash. Your virus scanner will likely still have some ideas about >complaining and that's annoying, i agree. Depends on the mail client. I believe Outlook Express will delete from the server based on the header info only. Which certainly can be done. Quote: >However, for taking the law in your hands you won't find too many >willing participants here. Not to mention that you will be liable for >any lost information on those other's machines..{filter}for tat doesn't >cut it in court. >Not everyone (read most users) is a power user and most are not even >aware of a virus on their system. Especially since some worms send the >infected emails out without the users' knowledge. Once you've told them, however, they have no excuse. If they don't fix the machine within 24 hours of being notified, tell their ISP. Politely, to 99 times out of a hundred, usually by freezing the account until their abuse people are convinced the machine is clean. This generally involves installing decent anti-virus software. -- http://www.--*.com/ Metacreator character software now available
Sat, 31 Jul 2004 13:45:13 GMT

Frank Ad #7 / 20	Need 'White Hat Virus' On Mon, 11 Feb 2002 21:45:13 -0800, Terry Austin Quote: >>If you have their email, then simply filter their mail into your >>trash. Your virus scanner will likely still have some ideas about >>complaining and that's annoying, i agree. >Depends on the mail client. I believe Outlook Express will delete from the >server based on the header info only. Which certainly can be done. Talk about power users.. i didn't think Eudora can do that, but after some more in debt study of the filters, seems like it can. Filter action is <server options> - <delete>, for those using it. Thanks, Terry. :) Regards, Frank
Sat, 31 Jul 2004 14:29:59 GMT

Terry Austi #8 / 20	Need 'White Hat Virus' Quote: >On Mon, 11 Feb 2002 21:45:13 -0800, Terry Austin >>>If you have their email, then simply filter their mail into your >>>trash. Your virus scanner will likely still have some ideas about >>>complaining and that's annoying, i agree. >>Depends on the mail client. I believe Outlook Express will delete from the >>server based on the header info only. Which certainly can be done. >Talk about power users.. i didn't think Eudora can do that, but after >some more in debt study of the filters, seems like it can. >Filter action is <server options> - <delete>, for those using it. >Thanks, Terry. :) Always happy to help, even if I don't have a clue about your software. But then, I run my own mail server, complete with a nice SonicWall firewall, so anybody who gets too annoying just gets IP denied before they even touch my network. -- http://www.hyperbooks.com/ Metacreator character software now available
Sat, 31 Jul 2004 15:08:38 GMT

Stac #9 / 20	Need 'White Hat Virus' Quote: > Almost certainly, if you're willing to do the time in federal prison. > And make no mistake, it is a felony. IANAL, but I seriously doubt that removing my own name from someone's address book, in order to prevent further attacks, would be a federal offence. I think it's called self-defence. If someone keeps hitting me over the head with a stick, and I finally pick up my own stick to smack his head in, then there's nothing wrong with that. Sure, I could walk to the next phone booth, calling the police and waiting for them to show up. But that's not a very satisfying solution, if, in the meantime, you still get the stick on the head... (And yes, I have all the 'defensive' tools. Firewall, Spamfilter, Anti-Virus. But I want to get on the 'offensive' now.)
Sat, 31 Jul 2004 23:34:28 GMT

Terry Austi #10 / 20	Need 'White Hat Virus' Quote: > > Almost certainly, if you're willing to do the time in federal prison. > > And make no mistake, it is a felony. > IANAL, but I seriously doubt that removing my own name from someone's > address book, in order to prevent further attacks, would be a federal > offence. US Code, Title 18, Chapter 1030, Paragraph (a) 5: (A) knowingly causes the transmission of a program, information, code, or command, and as a result of such conduct, intentionally causes damage without authorization, to a protected computer; (B) intentionally accesses a protected computer without authorization, and as a result of such conduct, recklessly causes damage; or (C) intentionally accesses a protected computer without authorization, and as a result of such conduct, causes damage; Maximum sentence of (A) (which is what you're talking about) is five years in a federal prison. Quote: > I think it's called self-defence. I'm sure the judge would take that into account. At your sentencing. Quote: > If someone keeps hitting me over the head with a stick, > and I finally pick up my own stick to smack his head in, > then there's nothing wrong with that. There's no physical {filter}. And you have _more effective_ tools at your disposal. Contact their ISP and tell them you're being subject to a DOS attack due to their user's negligence. They will take care of it. That will work, where committing a felony will not. Quote: > Sure, I could walk to the next phone booth, calling the > police and waiting for them to show up. But that's not > a very satisfying solution, if, in the meantime, you still > get the stick on the head... > (And yes, I have all the 'defensive' tools. Firewall, Spamfilter, > Anti-Virus. But I want to get on the 'offensive' now.) Sucks to be you, felon. Terry Austin
Sun, 01 Aug 2004 00:15:27 GMT

tje #11 / 20	Need 'White Hat Virus' Quote: > Is it possible to write a macro (or .exe) which will remove my > email from the recipient's address book? > I am sick and tired of being bombarded with viruses for weeks > by the same persons, and am ready to 'fight back'. Sending them > polite email notifying them that they're infected, and that > they are constantly sending out more infected emails doesn't > have any effect (this is a real email address, btw), so I am > ready to take things into my own hand now. > Since they are so stupid as to get infected in the first place, > and then actually not doing anything about it for over a week, > they would probably also activate any attachment I would send > them. Since I know which of my emails they are using, it should > be possible to remove that entry from the contact list (I assume > they are using Outlook). > Has anybody done something like this before? > Would it be hard to do? > I would assume that there'd be quite a demand for a tool like > this, that would finally let us fight back against those virus > spreading morons... just don't, it's evil. I get loads a spam / virus every day. I just don't care, delete the mails or block the sender. Send a abuse to their server. - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Quote: > Thanks!
Sun, 01 Aug 2004 06:03:22 GMT

Stace #12 / 20	Need 'White Hat Virus' I'm sorry, but neither A, B or C would apply in this case... Quote: > (A) > knowingly causes the transmission of a program, information, code, or > command, and as a result of such conduct, intentionally causes damage > without authorization, to a protected computer; Removing my email address from his address book cannot be construed as 'intentionally causing damage' Quote: > (B) > intentionally accesses a protected computer without authorization, and > as a result of such conduct, recklessly causes damage; or neither am I causing 'recklessly' damage Quote: > (C) > intentionally accesses a protected computer without authorization, and > as a result of such conduct, causes damage; or even very generic damage ______________________________________________________________________ Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com - Still Only $9.95 - http://www.uncensored-news.com With NINE Servers In California And Texas - The Worlds Uncensored News Source
Sun, 01 Aug 2004 06:10:46 GMT

Bil #13 / 20	Need 'White Hat Virus' Quote: > > Almost certainly, if you're willing to do the time in federal > > prison. > > And make no mistake, it is a felony. > IANAL, Neither am I. Perhaps you would do well to consult one, then. Quote: > but I seriously doubt that removing my own name from > someone's address book, in order to prevent further attacks, > would be a federal offence. As Terry indicated, you are quite wrong. Quote: > I think it's called self-defence. If anything, it would be called a counterattack. While it might gain you some sympathy, it would not reduce your legal liability. Self defense must involve an immediate response to an immediate threat to life and/or limb. The others' actions do not constitute such a threat, and your proposed actions lack the necessary immediacy. Quote: > If someone keeps hitting me over the head with a stick, > and I finally pick up my own stick to smack his head in, > then there's nothing wrong with that. Wrong. As described, your scenario would (in most places) fall under the definition of "excessive force", and open you to criminal charges. Just as if you shot him. You could pick up your stick and try to parry his blows. You could even try to disarm him (without excessive {filter}). This goes back to what your ole' mum told you: Two wrongs do not make a right. Quote: > Sure, I could walk to the next phone booth, calling the > police and waiting for them to show up. But that's not > a very satisfying solution, if, in the meantime, you still > get the stick on the head... Or you could attempt to defend yourself without engaging in excessive {filter}/force. Quote: > (And yes, I have all the 'defensive' tools. Firewall, Spamfilter, > Anti-Virus. But I want to get on the 'offensive' now.) And by that statement, you are not only declaring premeditation (re your proposed violations of Federal law), but attempting to draw the rest of us into criminal {filter} (to commit such violations). Any people here who help you (as opposed to those of us advising against the idea) expose themselves and you to such {filter} charges (an additional felony). -- W.E. (Bill) Goodrich, PhD -------------------------------------------------------------------* * CHANGE YOUR {filter}ITY * http://www.--.com/ ~bgoodric/ctg.html * * * * Behavior Modification * Creative Technology Group * * or {filter} * PO Box 286 * * * Englewood, CO 80151-0286 * -------------------------------------------------------------------*
Sun, 01 Aug 2004 06:35:29 GMT

Bil #14 / 20	Need 'White Hat Virus' Quote: > I'm sorry, but neither A, B or C would apply in this case... Wrong. Quote: > > (A) > > knowingly causes the transmission of a program, information, code, > > or command, and as a result of such conduct, intentionally causes > > damage without authorization, to a protected computer; > Removing my email address from his address book cannot be construed > as 'intentionally causing damage' Absolutely wrong. Both the legislative record (the debate leading up to passage of the law) and Case Law (court rulings in relevant cases) agree that such an action would constitute one of the kinds of "damage" addressed by the law. For your own sake, PLEASE consult a lawyer before you get yourself into even more trouble. -- W.E. (Bill) Goodrich, PhD -------------------------------------------------------------------* * CHANGE YOUR {filter}ITY * http://www.--.com/ ~bgoodric/ctg.html * * * * Behavior Modification * Creative Technology Group * * or {filter} * PO Box 286 * * * Englewood, CO 80151-0286 * -------------------------------------------------------------------*
Sun, 01 Aug 2004 07:26:14 GMT

Terry Austi #15 / 20	Need 'White Hat Virus' Quote: > > If someone keeps hitting me over the head with a stick, > > and I finally pick up my own stick to smack his head in, > > then there's nothing wrong with that. > Wrong. As described, your scenario would (in most places) fall under > the definition of "excessive force", and open you to criminal charges. > Just as if you shot him. You could pick up your stick and try to parry > his blows. You could even try to disarm him (without excessive > {filter}). This goes back to what your ole' mum told you: Two wrongs > do not make a right. Not necessarily. Depends a lot of circumstances. In general, you're allowed to use the same level of aggression as is being used against you. If you (as a "reasonable person" feel your life is in danger, you may always use deadly force to protect yourself. Such as the Supreme Court rules, every time such a case has come before them. You also have a constitutional right to make a citizen's arrest, and in most states, have fairly broad discretion in how to apprehend and restrain a fleeing felon. In California, for instance, if you know that a felony has been committed, and tell the felon "you're under arrest - stop" and they don't, you can simply shoot them out of hand _even if they present no immediate threat to you_. There's case law right here in Orange County where I live. Not that this has anything to do with out idiotic little felon, who is a) not the victim of a felony, and b) is not in the presence of his intended victim. Terry Austin
Sun, 01 Aug 2004 07:12:08 GMT

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