Once I was carried by VC++. We developed multitierapp in VB. So, I was
thinking, what can I do in VC++ to make any possible enhansments. I could not
find any reson to change any part, developed in VB, to VC++.

Dmitri G.

Hello Phreak Reign,

As I see it you have only used the Basic part of the _Visual_ Basic
package.  And most of it is using costly add-on packages.  It's like
stacking Lego.  Apart from (mostly minimal) code-conversion or encryption
that is.

Don't get me wrong.  Try placing several objects onto the screen and try to
manouvre between them with anything else than your mouse & Tab-key and you
will know that VB is all about working around it's limitations.  Example :
all key's will be grabbed by a KeyDown event, _exept_ .... and the .....
when ..... Try to to get the screen-interface to work like _you_ want to is
not _that_ easy anymore :-(

Greetz,
  Rudy Wieser

Anyone who thinks VB is for wimps should take the Microsoft Certification test
for it......that will answer their question.

Hello Scaevola7,

The difficulty of a test does not allways reflect the difficulty of the
topics involved.  try to calculate the pahes-shift with one capacitor and
one coil (series or parallel, I don't care :-) if you are not allowed to
use a calculator.  But who the heck does not have _at least_ a calculator
when tackeling problems like these.   Being able to cough-up exact phrases
outof a book (including maybe chapter, page & line :-) makes a test very
hard, without adding real knowledge to the person who kan come up with the
answer ...

Greetz,
  Rudy Wieser

: Anyone who thinks VB is for wimps should take the Microsoft Certification test
: for it......that will answer their question.

These test the ability to memorize, not to program.

I wouldn't say VB is for "wimps," but I would say it is very
frequently misused, sometimes by people who don't know better, but
usually by people who should.

VB is good for prototyping, and for rapidly developing small to
mid-sized Windows apps that don't need to be cross-platform and don't
need to last more than a few years without being actively maintained.

It is *not* good for systems programming (use C or C++), numeric
programming (use fortran), cross-platform programming (use Java, C,
ISO C++, or Tcl/Tk), object-oriented programming (use Eiffel,
Smalltalk, or Java), Web page scripting (use perl, Python, or C), or
high reliability / high availability applications (use Ada for highest
reliability, or very carefully written, debugged, and stress-tested
C++).

Unfortunately, it is often used in all these roles, with usually
miserable results.  I blame primarily the project managers, for making
a poor selection of development tools, but bad coding is often part of
the problem, and Microsoft's insistence that VB is a "general purpose
programming language," which it quite obviously is not, is partly to
blame as well because a lot of otherwise intelligent
decisionmaking-type folks read this kind of {*filter*}in the WSJ or NYT and
believe it.

Joe

Ada?  What applications are written in Ada?  Good for general database
work?

[snip]

Steven

        Are you trying to say that VB code wears out over time more
readily than other languages ?  ON WHAT PLANET ?

Paul

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        His Billness has told me personally that he is working on this
one :-)

        Oh, I don't doubt that other OS's and platforms and languages
are more reliable... no shit !..... I'm just pointing out that no code
inherently requires maintainence over time more than any other code -
either the bugs were there to begin with, or they weren't.  The post
to which I responded seemed to suggest that code somehow 'degenerated
over time', which of course does not ocur.  If it's crap, it started
out as crap, it didn't grow up to be {*filter*}:-)

Paul

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Some sectors of the military are backing off on their sometimes
ludicrous Ada requirements (not to say that the scenarios you mention
are such cases).

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: Ada?  What applications are written in Ada?  Good for general database
: work?

Ada is designed for mission-critical and real-time applications.  Its
largest use by far is by military and defense contractors.  Errors in
software for nuclear missiles, multibillion dollar bombers, satellite
controls systems, etc. can't be tolerated.

More information at http://www.adahome.com.

Ada seems to be only rarely deployed on the PC platform, which is
simply not reliable enough for genuinely mission-critical work (where
lives and/or billions of dollars are at stake).  But the standard
open-source Ada compiler, which is called GNAT, is available for
Windows and DOS.  It's a fairly portable language, so it is possible
to develop Ada software on PCs and then port it to the platform where
it will actually be deployed.

Joe