At this moment I am converting a PDS7 (QBX) app to windows using VB & intend to use rtf files for the formats to print using selpos & seltext to pop the fields to the format but if I use some of the bas 7 code like :- Box1: BoxTop=chr$(195)+string$(30,chr$(196))+chr$(191) .selpos x .seltext=BoxTop the output is not what I expected its the following :- +------------------------------+ and not the box top, I have changed fonts & sizes but to no avail. Interestingly if I produce a box in word & save it in RTF format the box displays ok in word but in my RTB I get +--------------+ again any ideas ?