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 OT: Partition

Hi all,

an off-topic question as the question seems to be ignored on mac.systems -
maybe it's too dumb?

I have a 120 GB external Harddisk which I bought for data transfer between
our Macs and PCs (huge files). Is it possible to make one PC and one Mac
partition or a hybrid partition which is accessible on both platforms
(Win98/2000 & MacOS 9/X)? I get really frustrated by Mac files loosing their
resource fork all the time, and as CDRs burned on my iMac don't seem to have
this problem but "play nice" on both Mac & PC I get the feeling there must
be a solution ...

Thanks

Markus



Tue, 01 Nov 2005 18:29:02 GMT  
 OT: Partition

Quote:

> Hi all,

> I have a 120 GB external Harddisk which I bought for data transfer between
> our Macs and PCs (huge files). Is it possible to make one PC and one Mac
> partition or a hybrid partition which is accessible on both platforms
> (Win98/2000 & MacOS 9/X)?

No the partition tables are different for both operation systems.
You must format the whole disk for Windows and the Mac can read it.
But Mac OS 9 and X use different ways to store the resource forks.

Quote:
> I get really frustrated by Mac files loosing their resource fork all the
> time, and as CDRs burned on my iMac don't seem to have this problem but
> "play nice" on both Mac & PC I get the feeling there must be a solution
> ...

Hybrid CDs have a directory for each system, but hold the data only
once.

I would suggest you setup a server (e.g. use Filesharing of Mac OS X) so
all Macs and PCs can access one for storing data.

Mfg
Christian

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Tue, 01 Nov 2005 19:21:27 GMT  
 OT: Partition

Quote:
> I would suggest you setup a server (e.g. use Filesharing of Mac OS X) so
> all Macs and PCs can access one for storing data.

Thanks Christian, but that defeats the purpose of getting the drive in the
first place - the data are collected on a "closed system" without network
access (dedicated PC on Robot). Also as we would transfer about 500 MB each
day we calculated that it's cheaper to transfer the data via a harddisk:

Peak Hours (9am-8pm)       10 cents / Megabyte
Off Peak Hours (8pm-9am)    4 cents / Megabyte

so during the day transferring 500 MB costs $50 - which means in less than
two weeks the drive has paid for itself.

Might be worth noting for others too - network usage is seldom free.

Quote:
> Hybrid CDs have a directory for each system, but hold the data only
> once.

So my question comes back to how do I write the two directories?

Thanks

Markus

P.S. System: 17in iMac, 512 MB, MacOS X 10.2.4, RealBasic 5.1

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Wed, 02 Nov 2005 05:15:26 GMT  
 OT: Partition

Quote:

> > Hybrid CDs have a directory for each system, but hold the data only
> > once.

> So my question comes back to how do I write the two directories?

Toast can do this when burning a CD.
But it's impossible for a harddisc.

In case you take the harddisc, format it for Windows and you can read it
on a Mac.

Mfg
Christian

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Wed, 02 Nov 2005 19:43:41 GMT  
 OT: Partition

Quote:
> In case you take the harddisc, format it for Windows and you can read it
> on a Mac.

Going in circles - that way I loose the resource fork all the time which was
the reason for my original question.

Thanks

Markus

P.S. System: 17in iMac, 512 MB, MacOS X 10.2.4, RealBasic 5.1

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Thu, 03 Nov 2005 15:00:28 GMT  
 OT: Partition

Quote:

> > In case you take the harddisc, format it for Windows and you can read it
> > on a Mac.

> Going in circles - that way I loose the resource fork all the time which was
> the reason for my original question.

The problem is that Mac OS 9 and Mac OS X store the resource fork
differently.

So the only good way is to setup some older Mac (e.g. G3/iMac) as a
server with Mac OS X Client to do file sharing between Mac OS 9, Mac OS
X and Windows. The Server software will store the resources how it
wants.

PS: Note that you do not need Mac OS X server!

Mfg
Christian

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Thu, 03 Nov 2005 16:50:21 GMT  
 OT: Partition

Quote:
>>> In case you take the harddisc, format it for Windows and you can read it
>>> on a Mac.

>> Going in circles - that way I loose the resource fork all the time which was
>> the reason for my original question.

> The problem is that Mac OS 9 and Mac OS X store the resource fork
> differently.

> So the only good way is to setup some older Mac (e.g. G3/iMac) as a
> server with Mac OS X Client to do file sharing between Mac OS 9, Mac OS
> X and Windows. The Server software will store the resources how it
> wants.

> PS: Note that you do not need Mac OS X server!

> Mfg
> Christian

Booohooo ... now you got me weeping for making me go round again. I
appreciate you taking the time to answer, but as I said in a previous answer
to your email:

Quote:
> Thanks Christian, but that defeats the purpose of getting the drive in the
> first place - the data are collected on a "closed system" without network
> access (dedicated PC on Robot). Also as we would transfer about 500 MB each
> day we calculated that it's cheaper to transfer the data via a harddisk:

> Peak Hours (9am-8pm)       10 cents / Megabyte
> Off Peak Hours (8pm-9am)    4 cents / Megabyte

> so during the day transferring 500 MB costs $50 - which means in less than
> two weeks the drive has paid for itself.

So server is out. Kaput. Finito. No way.

If it's possible for CDs to have 2 directories and be read just fine on Macs
& PCs then why is it not possible for harddisks?

And the next one to suggest that I format the drive as a Win partition gets
the mental equivalent of a half-brick in a sock ...  ;-)

Thanks

Markus

P.S. System: 17in iMac, 512 MB, MacOS X 10.2.4, RealBasic 5.1

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Sat, 05 Nov 2005 08:24:45 GMT  
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Quote:

> If it's possible for CDs to have 2 directories and be read just fine on Macs
> & PCs then why is it not possible for harddisks?

Because the system must keep both directories up to date and if the OS
knows the other side you won't need two directories.

So use a FAT formatted disk and stuff all files using Stuffit so the
resources keep there correct between the OS versions.

Mfg
Christian

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Sat, 05 Nov 2005 20:49:21 GMT  
 OT: Partition

Quote:

> > In case you take the harddisc, format it for Windows and you can read it
> > on a Mac.

> Going in circles - that way I loose the resource fork all the time which was
> the reason for my original question.

> Thanks

> Markus

> P.S. System: 17in iMac, 512 MB, MacOS X 10.2.4, RealBasic 5.1

Sounds like you need Mac Opener 2000 from Dataviz or something like it.
It handles resource forks on Mac Volumes but you can open the drive on
a PC. I think there's also Mac mounter or something.


Mon, 05 Dec 2005 07:25:40 GMT  
 
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