visual basic vs. visual c++ which is better 
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 visual basic vs. visual c++ which is better

Does somebody could make a comparsion for VB and VC, I really
want to know what is different features in the two programming
language, which one is better?

Thanks

YJ



Mon, 12 Nov 2001 03:00:00 GMT  
 visual basic vs. visual c++ which is better
In a couple of words: VC = complication, difficulty and power
                               VB = much more simple, not so powerful

Anyway, VB lets you do much. I have both and I rather VB. VC is mostly used
for professional and serious applications like building operating systems,
network operating systems and can also be used for the simple things that VB
can do. But... these simple things are much more simple in VB than in VC.

If you are planning to program serious stuff and/or are willing to have 4
times the work you have in VB, choose VC. If you don't, choose VB.

--
Pedro C. Ramilo


:Does somebody could make a comparsion for VB and VC, I really
:want to know what is different features in the two programming
:language, which one is better?
:Thanks



Tue, 13 Nov 2001 03:00:00 GMT  
 visual basic vs. visual c++ which is better


Ying Yang( interesting name by the way),

There is no comparison. Not between the languages, and
certainly not between the programmers. You will not
find much proffesional programmers with experience of
say 5 years that don't know at least c, but you will find
quite a few who don't know basic. Basic is not a
requirement. C has simply been the main windows language
for a long long time. A lot of sources are only available
in c, until today( although you can find a lot in cpp too..).
That alone should be argument enough. Look at the basic top
100 homepages, go see what is there: if I say that 1/100
programs raise the interest of the moderate c programmer
I might even be optimistic. From basic programming you
learn to get inventive. Thats not a thing you should underestimate!
But Visual Basic ? Nah..

C++ is even a whole other matter. It might be matched someday
by Smalltalk, but basic has nothing which compares or closely
resemble the wonderful things you can do with c++ once you
have a year of proffesional experience with it. Its something
like driving a car, after you have years of experience with
driving bicycles...:-)

If your skills and background allow it be sure to study
c++( and within that Stroustrup is a *must*!). If not:
do as I did: start programming in qbasic and try to do
amazing things with it. Once you think you can beat all
basic compiler boys: start with djgpp and the rest is
history..

Anyway, its Friday..

Rick

Quote:

> Does somebody could make a comparsion for VB and VC, I really
> want to know what is different features in the two programming
> language, which one is better?

> Thanks

> YJ

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Tue, 13 Nov 2001 03:00:00 GMT  
 visual basic vs. visual c++ which is better

Quote:

> In a couple of words: VC = complication, difficulty and power
>                                VB = much more simple, not so powerful

> Anyway, VB lets you do much. I have both and I rather VB. VC is mostly used
> for professional and serious applications like building operating systems,
> network operating systems and can also be used for the simple things that VB
> can do. But... these simple things are much more simple in VB than in VC.

> If you are planning to program serious stuff and/or are willing to have 4
> times the work you have in VB, choose VC. If you don't, choose VB.

> --
> Pedro C. Ramilo


> :Does somebody could make a comparsion for VB and VC, I really
> :want to know what is different features in the two programming
> :language, which one is better?
> :Thanks

You can get the whole set of MS Developer tools for about 12% price via
student/teacher pricing.

You have to be doing *official* exams, or work in an educational
establishment (not cleaner though).

Ask M$ for a local distributor - I got VC, VB, VJ, and loads more stuff
for 130 UK, with no distribution limitations.
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Tue, 13 Nov 2001 03:00:00 GMT  
 visual basic vs. visual c++ which is better
If you use Borland Delphi, or C++ builder, you have the simplicity and RAD
environment of VB and the power (or even more) of VC.
http://www.inprise.com

Jos Visser

Pedro C. Ramilo heeft geschreven in bericht

Quote:
>In a couple of words: VC = complication, difficulty and power
>                               VB = much more simple, not so powerful

>Anyway, VB lets you do much. I have both and I rather VB. VC is mostly used
>for professional and serious applications like building operating systems,
>network operating systems and can also be used for the simple things that
VB
>can do. But... these simple things are much more simple in VB than in VC.

>If you are planning to program serious stuff and/or are willing to have 4
>times the work you have in VB, choose VC. If you don't, choose VB.

>--
>Pedro C. Ramilo


>:Does somebody could make a comparsion for VB and VC, I really
>:want to know what is different features in the two programming
>:language, which one is better?
>:Thanks



Thu, 15 Nov 2001 03:00:00 GMT  
 visual basic vs. visual c++ which is better


Quote:
> In a couple of words: VC = complication, difficulty and power
> VB = much more simple, not so powerful

> Anyway, VB lets you do much. I have both and I rather VB.

I think you are saying you have problems with c++ and mfc.

Quote:
> VC is mostly used for professional and serious applications like
> building  operating systems, network operating systems and can also
> be used for the simple things that VB can do. But... these simple
> things are much more simple in VB than in VC.

VC is mostly used for proffesional and serious applications. Period.

Quote:

> If you are planning to program serious stuff and/or are willing to
> have 4 times the work you have in VB, choose VC. If you don't, choose
> VB.

If you are planning to program serious stuff and /or are willing to
consider at least 4 times as much design issues and possibilities,
and have the capacities to understand c++ basic language in say
1/2 year use VC: otherwise use VB.

Quote:
> --
> Pedro C. Ramilo


Rick

Quote:

> :Does somebody could make a comparsion for VB and VC, I really
> :want to know what is different features in the two programming
> :language, which one is better?
> :Thanks

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Quote:

> Does somebody could make a comparsion for VB and VC, I really
> want to know what is different features in the two programming
> language, which one is better?

There is not comparission between those languages because both of them were
developed for different markets:

Visual Basic is an applications oriented language.

Visual C++ is a systems oriented language.

If you need to cover empresarial needs, financial, administrative,
applications based on data bases, generic programs with low or medium
hardware access, and things like those, then VB can do the work.

If you need low level programming, high access to the hardware, high use of
operating system resources, and things like those, VC can do the work.

As you can see, a systems oriented language is different of an applications
oriented language. It's true that you can develop applications with VC, but
not as fast as with VB. Nevertheless, it depends on your experience with the
handling of VC.

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Thu, 15 Nov 2001 03:00:00 GMT  
 visual basic vs. visual c++ which is better
From one programmer to another I will tell you that C and C++ are my languages
of choice. I learned BASIC to be able to understand basic programming concepts.
After I learned enough BASIC to be able to program decently I left it behind me
forever( for the most part).

If you don't want or need the ability to deal with complex issues (OS, Systems,
and Applications wise) BASIC will suit you fine. However, if you want the
capabilities of a fine language then goto C or C++. I personally, do some MUD
coding on my spare time and that's written in C. The fact that you can deal
with pointers, structures, unions, and other such nifties in C are only a part
of what makes it superior programming wise to BASIC.

In the end it's all about how much effort you want to put into your program and
how much capability you really need. All of life is about how much effort you
put into it and this is no better.

~techs



Fri, 16 Nov 2001 03:00:00 GMT  
 visual basic vs. visual c++ which is better

Quote:
>From one programmer to another I will tell you that C and C++ are my languages
>of choice. I learned BASIC to be able to understand basic programming concepts.
>After I learned enough BASIC to be able to program decently I left it behind me
>forever( for the most part).

>If you don't want or need the ability to deal with complex issues (OS, Systems,
>and Applications wise) BASIC will suit you fine. However, if you want the
>capabilities of a fine language then goto C or C++. I personally, do some MUD
>coding on my spare time and that's written in C. The fact that you can deal
>with pointers, structures, unions, and other such nifties in C are only a part
>of what makes it superior programming wise to BASIC.

Ah... but what if I can use "pointers, structures, unions, and other such
nifties" in BASIC? Then what?

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Fri, 16 Nov 2001 03:00:00 GMT  
 visual basic vs. visual c++ which is better
C++, BASIC, COBOL, whatever:

It's not the paintbrush, it's the artist.

--
Michael Mattias
Tal Systems
Racine WI USA


Quote:
>From one programmer to another I will tell you that C and C++ are my

languagesof choice.


Fri, 16 Nov 2001 03:00:00 GMT  
 visual basic vs. visual c++ which is better
I've been looking at software to program an amateur radio rig (Icom
706MKII);  some written in BASIC and C appear very nice, others are
hideous.

Unfortunately, not one works correctly.

On Mon, 31 May 1999 16:09:22 GMT, "Michael Mattias"

Quote:

>C++, BASIC, COBOL, whatever:

>It's not the paintbrush, it's the artist.

Ron  n1zhi



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Fri, 16 Nov 2001 03:00:00 GMT  
 visual basic vs. visual c++ which is better

Quote:

>I've been looking at software to program an amateur radio rig (Icom
>706MKII);  some written in BASIC and C appear very nice, others are
>hideous.

>Unfortunately, not one works correctly.

Sadly, we all see far too much of this. My view (admittedly biased) is that
in general, programmers are not users of the products they create so they
don't know how to test. (Why biased? I spent twenty years outside of DP as a
"real user", except for the first ten years of that period, I was a user of
paper and file folders and bank pins and paper clips...)

The best test method I''ve found is to get a volunteer user. (At some of the
firms I consult for, I can't always find a volunteer. So I go to the
manager. Somehow the manager always seems to find a "volunteer". But I
digress).

Anyway, what I do then is sit next to the user while he/she processes "real"
work. It tells me what kind of data is entered, which keys are used, and
shows me pretty vividly when I've designed something not usable in "the real
world."

Amazing how reluctant "volunteers" are never reluctant when it comes to
commenting on the inadequacies of the design and/or interface.

--
Michael Mattias
Tal Systems
Racine WI USA



Fri, 16 Nov 2001 03:00:00 GMT  
 visual basic vs. visual c++ which is better

Quote:
>capabilities of a fine language then goto C or C++. I personally, do some MUD
>coding on my spare time and that's written in C. The fact that you can deal
>with pointers, structures, unions, and other such nifties in C are only a part
>of what makes it superior programming wise to BASIC.

The thing is, with powerbasic you *can* use Pointers, Structures, Unions,
Inline Assembler, and the works.

There is nothing inherent in the C language that won't be found in some
Basic implementation -- it's just that most of the Basic's around these
days are pretty old. Recent versions like PowerBasic are a pretty decent
match for C++, both in execution speed and filesize.

Anyway, not your basic BASIC. ;-)

Quote:
>In the end it's all about how much effort you want to put into your program and
>how much capability you really need. All of life is about how much effort you
>put into it and this is no better.

Why bother with the obscurity of C while you can have similar power with
the ease of Basic?

--
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Sat, 17 Nov 2001 03:00:00 GMT  
 visual basic vs. visual c++ which is better


<snip>

Quote:
>Sadly, we all see far too much of this. My view (admittedly biased) is that
>in general, programmers are not users of the products they create so they
>don't know how to test. (Why biased? I spent twenty years outside of DP as a
>"real user", except for the first ten years of that period, I was a user of
>paper and file folders and bank pins and paper clips...)

<snip>

I, too, agree that a programmer can't de-bug his/her own code but for a more
ethereal reason: deep down they "know" where the bugs are and will,
unconsciously avoid them.

As far as 'testing' goes, its true enough what you say. That really super idea
you had at 03:04 and took the next two days coding may NOT be what works in
the shop. You've GOT to experience the program under live conditions to work
the kinks out.

C'ya,

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Sat, 17 Nov 2001 03:00:00 GMT  
 visual basic vs. visual c++ which is better

Quote:


> >capabilities of a fine language then goto C or C++. I personally, do
> > some MUD coding on my spare time and that's written in C. The fact
> >that you can deal with pointers, structures, unions, and other such
> >nifties in C are only a part of what makes it superior programming
> >wise to BASIC.

> The thing is, with PowerBASIC you *can* use Pointers, Structures,
> Unions, Inline Assembler, and the works.

> There is nothing inherent in the C language that won't be found in
> some Basic implementation -- it's just that most of the Basic's
> around these days are pretty old. Recent versions like PowerBasic are
> a pretty decent match for C++, both in execution speed and filesize.

> Anyway, not your basic BASIC. ;-)

> >In the end it's all about how much effort you want to put into your
program and
> >how much capability you really need. All of life is about how much
effort you
> >put into it and this is no better.

> Why bother with the obscurity of C while you can have similar power
with
> the ease of Basic?

The ignorance in this thread is beyond any match. People who really
think that powerbasic match c, haven't probably coded for more then a
demie annee in c. People who think that c and cpp can be called in
one breath,as happens above, can't be taken seriously. And the most
stupid thing: there seem to be really powerbasic advocates who are
trying to say that a procedural language (any) can be matched to c++.
Absurd! Every proffesional (even c- adapts) will tell you that.

I can't even begin to correct things like expressed here. Just when
someone shows me the powerbasic stl, we might discuss further:-)

Ri

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