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Don Foste #1 / 18	PowerBASIC I have purchased through upgrades; PB3, PB3.1,PB3.2,PB3.5. I have purchase at full price PBDK2.0, PBDLL2.0, PBDLL5.0. Then I get another full price adverti{filter}t for yet another windows interface for powerbasic. Is most of your engineering incremental, or is this just a good way to maximize profits by many little expenditures. Seems like upgrade would be in order for some of these purchases. On to C and fortran - Basic too expensive. Regards: Don Foster H.P.
Sun, 19 Nov 2000 03:00:00 GMT

The Tripo #2 / 18	PowerBASIC On Wed, 03 Jun 1998 12:40:12 -0700, Don Foster Quote: >I have purchased through upgrades; PB3, PB3.1,PB3.2,PB3.5. I have >purchase at full price PBDK2.0, PBDLL2.0, PBDLL5.0. >Then I get another full price adverti{filter}t for yet another windows >interface for PowerBASIC. >Is most of your engineering incremental, or is this just a good way >to maximize profits by many little expenditures. ...snip... Funny, but I just threw away a book about M$ which describes this incremental software engineering as a prime method for continuing to bleed the customer base. Under the right circumstances, it actually _does_ pay to release software prematurely so that needed updates will continue to generate revenue, which is not what one expects with retail software. Somewhere along the line, software developers realized that they were missing the boat. When you buy a new car you have to buy new tires regularly, change the oil, replace a rusted exhaust pipe, and so on. Software doesn't wear out, so how can you force customers to pay for maintainance? Easy, release software prematurely and offer "upgrades" regularly. This is, of course, just a story. <shrug> C'ya, RudeJohn "People ream you. That's what people do."
Sun, 19 Nov 2000 03:00:00 GMT

Nathan Durlan #3 / 18	PowerBASIC Quote: > I have purchased through upgrades; PB3, PB3.1,PB3.2,PB3.5. I have > purchase at full price PBDK2.0, PBDLL2.0, PBDLL5.0. > Then I get another full price adverti{filter}t for yet another windows > interface for PowerBASIC. If it's any consolation, there is an upgrade price for PB/CC. I'm quite sure there was also an upgrade from PB/DLL 2.0 --> 5.0, although I dodn't remember for sure. Quote: > Is most of your engineering incremental, or is this just a good way > to maximize profits by many little expenditures. Well, I hope they keep making improvements to the product! Minor revisions are usually free of charge. I've only seen PB charge upgrade prices for products that boast a significantly improved feature set. If you are looking for PowerBASIC to come out with a product that is completely new and different, it probably wouldn't be BASIC anymore. As it is, the upgrade prices are nearly always pretty modest. It's up to you to determine whether or not you need it. Personally, I didn't upgrade to PB/DOS 3.5; it has cool new features, just not anything that was an absolute must. Quote: > On to C and FORTRAN - Basic too expensive. Please keep me posted on how much you need to spend to stay current with them, as well has how much additional development time you incur. Too bad PB didn't work out for you. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Novell tips at http://www.--*.com/ ~ndurland/novelltips.html ---------------------------------------------------------------- If at first you don't succeed, skydiving isn't for you! ----------------------------------------------------------------
Wed, 22 Nov 2000 03:00:00 GMT

Dave Navar #4 / 18	PowerBASIC Quote: > > On to C and FORTRAN - Basic too expensive. > Please keep me posted on how much you need to spend to stay current with > them, as well has how much additional development time you incur. I think Don is in for a rude surprise. Microsoft charges an average of $199 for upgrades, not the modest $59 to $99 that we charge. They also charge for bug fixes, while we ship them free to all registered users. Borland's and Symantec's pricing isn't that different from Microsoft's, although they're much better about not charging for bug fixes. Considering that the average cost for a programming languages today (Retail) is $400, I am at a loss to understand why people think that $150 is too much. Especially considering all the extras we give with each product. Personally, I agree that software prices are out of control these days. And we're doing our best to cut costs rather than raise prices. But as long as there are idiots giving away our products (I shut down 11 web sites last week that were giving away the commercial version of PowerBASIC and PB/DLL) instead of honest people purchasing them, we may eventually have no choice but to raise prices like everyone else. --Dave
Fri, 08 Dec 2000 03:00:00 GMT

Dave Navar #5 / 18	PowerBASIC Quote: > > Personally, I agree that software prices are out of control these days. And > > we're doing our best to cut costs rather than raise prices. But as long as > > --Dave > As a software developer what is your greatest expense? I > would imagine advertising. Nope, support. With all software products, there will always be people who don't read the manuals, or who expect us to teach them everything about programming. So our highest costs are the salaries of the people who answer phones, email and faxes. --Dave
Sat, 09 Dec 2000 03:00:00 GMT

Nathan Durlan #6 / 18	PowerBASIC Quote: > Personally, I agree that software prices are out of control these days. And > we're doing our best to cut costs rather than raise prices. But as long as > there are idiots giving away our products (I shut down 11 web sites last week > that were giving away the commercial version of PowerBASIC and PB/DLL) instead > of honest people purchasing them, we may eventually have no choice but to > raise prices like everyone else. One of the never ending arguments on most BASIC newsgroups is the morality of people who post QB for download. I reported a few web sites last week to the SPA. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Novell tips at http://www.capital.net/~ndurland/novelltips.html ---------------------------------------------------------------- If at first you don't succeed, skydiving isn't for you! ----------------------------------------------------------------
Sat, 09 Dec 2000 03:00:00 GMT

Dave Navar #7 / 18	PowerBASIC Quote: > > Personally, I agree that software prices are out of control these days. And > > we're doing our best to cut costs rather than raise prices. But as long as > > there are idiots giving away our products (I shut down 11 web sites last week > > that were giving away the commercial version of PowerBASIC and PB/DLL) instead > > of honest people purchasing them, we may eventually have no choice but to > > raise prices like everyone else. > One of the never ending arguments on most BASIC newsgroups is the > morality of people who post QB for download. I reported a few web sites > last week to the SPA. If it's QB or another Microsoft product, I forward the information to there have been a few cases where Microsoft has had computer equipment confiscated. We've already had a few cases where we had computers taken away from {filter}agers and we've had over 100 web sites shut down so far. --Dave
Sat, 09 Dec 2000 03:00:00 GMT

Trevor Charles Osbor #8 / 18	PowerBASIC : > : > Personally, I agree that software prices are out of control these days. And : > we're doing our best to cut costs rather than raise prices. But as long as : > there are idiots giving away our products (I shut down 11 web sites last week : > that were giving away the commercial version of PowerBASIC and PB/DLL) instead : > of honest people purchasing them, we may eventually have no choice but to : > raise prices like everyone else. : One of the never ending arguments on most BASIC newsgroups is the : morality of people who post QB for download. I reported a few web sites : last week to the SPA. I don't really know what side I agree with on the QB issue... I realize that Micro{filter}doesn't want to sell the rights to QB to someone else that would continue to improve the product because alot of the QB code is probably in VB... but why not just allow people to download it from there web site it's not like it's gonna make VB stop selling, it's two totally different things. Now 'pirating' PB would be a different story... it's still supported and under development. I dunno that's just my nickel-nintey-nine's worth ;) : -- : ---------------------------------------------------------------- : Novell tips at http://www.--*.com/ ~ndurland/novelltips.html : ---------------------------------------------------------------- : If at first you don't succeed, skydiving isn't for you! : ----------------------------------------------------------------
Sun, 10 Dec 2000 03:00:00 GMT

Steve Ru #9 / 18	PowerBASIC Quote: >I don't really know what side I agree with on the QB issue... I realize >that Micro{filter}doesn't want to sell the rights to QB to someone else that >would continue to improve the product because alot of the QB code is >probably in VB... I doubt that any of the VB compiler was written in any flavor of BASIC; it's probably C, with a few assembly-language speedups. If M$ were still selling QuickBasic, it would compete with VB, and win in many cases. Not every program needs all those windows, bells, whistles and banners. +_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+ If it's spam, it's a scam. Don't do business with Net abusers.
Mon, 11 Dec 2000 03:00:00 GMT

Peter Hesket #10 / 18	PowerBASIC Quote: >If M$ were still selling QuickBasic, it would compete with VB, and win in many >cases. Not every program needs all those windows, bells, whistles and banners. Agreed. For overnight scheduled backup and convert-to-html routines I wouldn't use anything else. Who needs a GUI when there's no U to I with it? -- Kind Regards Peter Hesketh, Mynyddbach, Monmouthshire, England "I don't make predictions. I never have and I never will." - Tony Blair
Mon, 11 Dec 2000 03:00:00 GMT

Dave Navar #11 / 18	PowerBASIC Quote: > I doubt that any of the VB compiler was written in any flavor of BASIC; it's > probably C, with a few assembly-language speedups. > If M$ were still selling QuickBasic, it would compete with VB, and win in many > cases. Not every program needs all those windows, bells, whistles and banners. Hmm.. Sounds like PB/CC to me. <smile> --Dave
Mon, 11 Dec 2000 03:00:00 GMT

Don Schulli #12 / 18	PowerBASIC Quote: >> I doubt that any of the VB compiler was written in any flavor of BASIC; it's >> probably C, with a few assembly-language speedups. >> If M$ were still selling QuickBasic, it would compete with VB, and win in many >> cases. Not every program needs all those windows, bells, whistles and banners. >Hmm.. Sounds like PB/CC to me. <smile> You've no shame, Dave.. d;) ____ _ ____ ____ _____ \| _ \ / \ / ___) __ \| ___)(_ _) \| \|_) / _ \ \____\/ \\| _) \| \| \|____//_/ \_\(____/\__/\|_\| \|_\| www.basicguru.com/schullian
Tue, 12 Dec 2000 03:00:00 GMT

Nathan Durlan #13 / 18	PowerBASIC Quote: > If it's QB or another Microsoft product, I forward the information to > there have been a few cases where Microsoft has had computer equipment > confiscated. I never thought of that (It never occured to me that MS would have a piracy e-mail address). Good idea. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Novell tips at http://www.capital.net/~ndurland/novelltips.html ---------------------------------------------------------------- If at first you don't succeed, skydiving isn't for you! ----------------------------------------------------------------
Tue, 12 Dec 2000 03:00:00 GMT

Dave Navar #14 / 18	PowerBASIC says... Quote: > >> I doubt that any of the VB compiler was written in any flavor of BASIC; it's > >> probably C, with a few assembly-language speedups. > >> If M$ were still selling QuickBasic, it would compete with VB, and win in many > >> cases. Not every program needs all those windows, bells, whistles and banners. > >Hmm.. Sounds like PB/CC to me. <smile> > You've no shame, Dave.. d;) Horrible isn't it? <g> Truthfully, I am "so darned happy" about PB/CC that when I got the first alpha I nearly wet myself. I'm a DOS prompt guy 200% (got four or five DOS boxes open all the time) and I was not looking forward to abandoning simple text mode interfaces. I've finally ported all my utilities over to PB/CC and I'm a very happy camper. --Dave
Tue, 12 Dec 2000 03:00:00 GMT

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