Measuring height of table
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Brett Thompso #1 / 19
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 Measuring height of table
Hello to all. I am trying to measure the height of a table as it will print. Everything I try returns the value as of the minimum height of each row, so that no matter how many lines of text is found within a cell (and therefore how much space will be taken up on the printed page) the same minimum height is returned. The code I'm using is as follows: Dim MedList As Table, hgt As Single, NoOfRows As Integer, x As Integer 'the table has previously been bookmarked. If ActiveDocument.Bookmarks.Exists("MedicationList") = True Then ActiveDocument.GoTo What:=wdGoToBookmark, Name:="MedicationList" Set MedList = Selection.Tables(1) hgt = 0 With MedList .Rows.HeightRule = wdRowHeightAtLeast 'this has been inserted as the default property for the table in question is 'wdRowHeightAuto. If left at this the height returned is almost infinite. 'Using wdRowHeightExactly returns the same value as 'wdRowHeightAtLeast but makes invisible some of the table's text. NoOfRows = .Rows.Count For x = 1 To NoOfRows hgt = hgt + .Rows(x).Height Next x Debug.Print "Table hgt = " + CStr(PointsToCentimeters(hgt)) + " Number of Rows = " + CStr(x - 1) End With 'more code The table can have a variable number of rows, and what I am trying to acheive is to advise a user if what they are trying to print is not going to fit on a single page. The page size is not standard. There is another table on the page but its size is fixed. Is there a way of determining the height of a table as it will appear printed. Many thanks, Brett Thompson
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Thu, 29 Jul 2004 11:33:57 GMT |
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Mark Tangar #2 / 19
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 Measuring height of table
Brett, This seems almost too slimy, but: Howbout copying the table to a new document (with the same page size, margins and header/footer specs and also containing a dummy table of the same height as the fixed table), checking the page length of the new doc to see if it's more than 1, then closing that doc without saving and advising the user based on the results. Another odd but probably effective way I can see would be to take the wdVerticalPositionRelativeToPage property of each row, subtract each row's position from that of the next row, and add up all the differences. You'd have to temporarily set the page height to a custom (and enormous) size to avoid having to compare the vertical positions of pairs or rows that spanned a page break if the table ran over a page, then set it back when done. And this presumes your table would never run over the maximum allowable custom page height, which in Word 97 is 22 inches, oops, I mean 55.88 cm. Or, if the table is never going to be more than *two* pages, you could loop through each row checking its wdVerticalPositionRelativeToPage property and just exit the loop with a messagebox if, for any row, that property is less than that of the prior row.
-- See the MVP FAQ at http://www.mvps.org/word -------------------------- ----------------- "Life is nothing if you're not obsessed." --John Waters ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Reply to group ONLY. Do not attach files. MVPs do not work for Microsoft. Quote:
> Hello to all. > I am trying to measure the height of a table as it will print. Everything I > try returns the value as of the minimum height of each row, so that no > matter how many lines of text is found within a cell (and therefore how much > space will be taken up on the printed page) the same minimum height is > returned. The code I'm using is as follows: > Dim MedList As Table, hgt As Single, NoOfRows As Integer, x As Integer > 'the table has previously been bookmarked. > If ActiveDocument.Bookmarks.Exists("MedicationList") = True Then > ActiveDocument.GoTo What:=wdGoToBookmark, Name:="MedicationList" > Set MedList = Selection.Tables(1) > hgt = 0 > With MedList > .Rows.HeightRule = wdRowHeightAtLeast 'this has been > inserted as the default property for the table in question is > 'wdRowHeightAuto. If left at this the height returned is almost infinite. > 'Using wdRowHeightExactly returns the same value as > 'wdRowHeightAtLeast but makes invisible some of the table's text. > NoOfRows = .Rows.Count > For x = 1 To NoOfRows > hgt = hgt + .Rows(x).Height > Next x > Debug.Print "Table hgt = " + CStr(PointsToCentimeters(hgt)) + " > Number of Rows = " + CStr(x - 1) > End With > 'more code > The table can have a variable number of rows, and what I am trying to > acheive is to advise a user if what they are trying to print is not going to > fit on a single page. The page size is not standard. There is another table > on the page but its size is fixed. > Is there a way of determining the height of a table as it will appear > printed. > Many thanks, > Brett Thompson
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Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:48:27 GMT |
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Brett Thompso #3 / 19
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Many thanks Mark for your input. I'll give your workarounds a run and see what comes out. Seems such a simple thing, the height of a table, and it comes out complex. Now I understand that what I was trying to do is not directly possible I'll look more laterally. Strange that the actual height of a table cannot be measured! I had been leaving a space for a signature underneath the table in the body of the document, but I could make this part of the footer, and as you suggest, any row that would extend beyond the first page would show up directly on the second. What is being printed is a medical prescription, and other than the space for the signature, any additional space is supposed to be filled with "white noise". This had been part of the template I had used, pushed off the bottom of the page by the growing table and only the first page printed, but it could be added at time of printing with code, which would also make things easier - just count how many pages in the document before adding the "white noise"! The only complicating factor is that the document has two sections with different margins - not sure how this will mess with the page counting.
Quote: > Brett, > This seems almost too slimy, but: Howbout copying the table to a new > document (with the same page size, margins and header/footer specs > and also containing a dummy table of the same height as the fixed > table), checking the page length of the new doc to see if it's more > than 1, then closing that doc without saving and advising the user > based on the results. > Another odd but probably effective way I can see would be to take the > wdVerticalPositionRelativeToPage property of each row, subtract each > row's position from that of the next row, and add up all the differences. > You'd have to temporarily set the page height to a custom (and enormous) > size to avoid having to compare the vertical positions of pairs or rows > that spanned a page break if the table ran over a page, then set it back > when done. And this presumes your table would never run over the maximum > allowable custom page height, which in Word 97 is 22 inches, oops, I mean > 55.88 cm. > Or, if the table is never going to be more than *two* pages, you could > loop through each row checking its wdVerticalPositionRelativeToPage > property and just exit the loop with a messagebox if, for any row, that > property is less than that of the prior row.
> -- See the MVP FAQ at http://www.mvps.org/word -------------------------- > ----------------- "Life is nothing if you're not obsessed." --John Waters > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Reply to group ONLY. Do not attach files. MVPs do not work for Microsoft.
> > Hello to all. > > I am trying to measure the height of a table as it will print. Everything I > > try returns the value as of the minimum height of each row, so that no > > matter how many lines of text is found within a cell (and therefore how much > > space will be taken up on the printed page) the same minimum height is > > returned. The code I'm using is as follows: > > Dim MedList As Table, hgt As Single, NoOfRows As Integer, x As Integer > > 'the table has previously been bookmarked. > > If ActiveDocument.Bookmarks.Exists("MedicationList") = True Then > > ActiveDocument.GoTo What:=wdGoToBookmark, Name:="MedicationList" > > Set MedList = Selection.Tables(1) > > hgt = 0 > > With MedList > > .Rows.HeightRule = wdRowHeightAtLeast 'this has been > > inserted as the default property for the table in question is > > 'wdRowHeightAuto. If left at this the height returned is almost infinite. > > 'Using wdRowHeightExactly returns the same value as > > 'wdRowHeightAtLeast but makes invisible some of the table's text. > > NoOfRows = .Rows.Count > > For x = 1 To NoOfRows > > hgt = hgt + .Rows(x).Height > > Next x > > Debug.Print "Table hgt = " + CStr(PointsToCentimeters(hgt)) + " > > Number of Rows = " + CStr(x - 1) > > End With > > 'more code > > The table can have a variable number of rows, and what I am trying to > > acheive is to advise a user if what they are trying to print is not going to > > fit on a single page. The page size is not standard. There is another table > > on the page but its size is fixed. > > Is there a way of determining the height of a table as it will appear > > printed. > > Many thanks, > > Brett Thompson
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Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:13:58 GMT |
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Brett Thompso #4 / 19
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What is the grammar for wdVerticalPositionRelativeToPage property of a row? I am using Word97 and searching for it in help brings up a blank. Was it introduced later? Thanks, Brett
Quote: > Brett, > This seems almost too slimy, but: Howbout copying the table to a new > document (with the same page size, margins and header/footer specs > and also containing a dummy table of the same height as the fixed > table), checking the page length of the new doc to see if it's more > than 1, then closing that doc without saving and advising the user > based on the results. > Another odd but probably effective way I can see would be to take the > wdVerticalPositionRelativeToPage property of each row, subtract each > row's position from that of the next row, and add up all the differences. > You'd have to temporarily set the page height to a custom (and enormous) > size to avoid having to compare the vertical positions of pairs or rows > that spanned a page break if the table ran over a page, then set it back > when done. And this presumes your table would never run over the maximum > allowable custom page height, which in Word 97 is 22 inches, oops, I mean > 55.88 cm. > Or, if the table is never going to be more than *two* pages, you could > loop through each row checking its wdVerticalPositionRelativeToPage > property and just exit the loop with a messagebox if, for any row, that > property is less than that of the prior row.
> -- See the MVP FAQ at http://www.mvps.org/word -------------------------- > ----------------- "Life is nothing if you're not obsessed." --John Waters > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Reply to group ONLY. Do not attach files. MVPs do not work for Microsoft.
> > Hello to all. > > I am trying to measure the height of a table as it will print. Everything I > > try returns the value as of the minimum height of each row, so that no > > matter how many lines of text is found within a cell (and therefore how much > > space will be taken up on the printed page) the same minimum height is > > returned. The code I'm using is as follows: > > Dim MedList As Table, hgt As Single, NoOfRows As Integer, x As Integer > > 'the table has previously been bookmarked. > > If ActiveDocument.Bookmarks.Exists("MedicationList") = True Then > > ActiveDocument.GoTo What:=wdGoToBookmark, Name:="MedicationList" > > Set MedList = Selection.Tables(1) > > hgt = 0 > > With MedList > > .Rows.HeightRule = wdRowHeightAtLeast 'this has been > > inserted as the default property for the table in question is > > 'wdRowHeightAuto. If left at this the height returned is almost infinite. > > 'Using wdRowHeightExactly returns the same value as > > 'wdRowHeightAtLeast but makes invisible some of the table's text. > > NoOfRows = .Rows.Count > > For x = 1 To NoOfRows > > hgt = hgt + .Rows(x).Height > > Next x > > Debug.Print "Table hgt = " + CStr(PointsToCentimeters(hgt)) + " > > Number of Rows = " + CStr(x - 1) > > End With > > 'more code > > The table can have a variable number of rows, and what I am trying to > > acheive is to advise a user if what they are trying to print is not going to > > fit on a single page. The page size is not standard. There is another table > > on the page but its size is fixed. > > Is there a way of determining the height of a table as it will appear > > printed. > > Many thanks, > > Brett Thompson
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Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:22:45 GMT |
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Dave Rad #5 / 19
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 Measuring height of table
Hi Brett It's then text in the row you have to get the vertical position of - see: http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/MacrosVBA/GetPosRelToPage.htm Regards Dave
| What is the grammar for wdVerticalPositionRelativeToPage property of a | row? | I am using Word97 and searching for it in help brings up a blank. Was it | introduced later? | Thanks, | Brett
| > Brett, | > | > This seems almost too slimy, but: Howbout copying the table to a new | > document (with the same page size, margins and header/footer specs | > and also containing a dummy table of the same height as the fixed | > table), checking the page length of the new doc to see if it's more | > than 1, then closing that doc without saving and advising the user | > based on the results. | > | > Another odd but probably effective way I can see would be to take the | > wdVerticalPositionRelativeToPage property of each row, subtract each | > row's position from that of the next row, and add up all the differences. | > You'd have to temporarily set the page height to a custom (and enormous) | > size to avoid having to compare the vertical positions of pairs or rows | > that spanned a page break if the table ran over a page, then set it back | > when done. And this presumes your table would never run over the maximum | > allowable custom page height, which in Word 97 is 22 inches, oops, I mean | > 55.88 cm. | > | > Or, if the table is never going to be more than *two* pages, you could | > loop through each row checking its wdVerticalPositionRelativeToPage | > property and just exit the loop with a messagebox if, for any row, that | > property is less than that of the prior row. | >
| > -- See the MVP FAQ at http://www.mvps.org/word -------------------------- | > ----------------- "Life is nothing if you're not obsessed." --John Waters | > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | > Reply to group ONLY. Do not attach files. MVPs do not work for Microsoft. | > | >
| > > | > > Hello to all. | > > I am trying to measure the height of a table as it will print. | Everything I | > > try returns the value as of the minimum height of each row, so that no | > > matter how many lines of text is found within a cell (and therefore how | much | > > space will be taken up on the printed page) the same minimum height is | > > returned. The code I'm using is as follows: | > > | > > Dim MedList As Table, hgt As Single, NoOfRows As Integer, x As Integer | > > 'the table has previously been bookmarked. | > > If ActiveDocument.Bookmarks.Exists("MedicationList") = True Then | > > ActiveDocument.GoTo What:=wdGoToBookmark, Name:="MedicationList" | > > Set MedList = Selection.Tables(1) | > > hgt = 0 | > > With MedList | > > .Rows.HeightRule = wdRowHeightAtLeast 'this has been | > > inserted as the default property for the table in question is | > > | > > 'wdRowHeightAuto. If left at this the height returned is almost | infinite. | > > | > > 'Using wdRowHeightExactly returns the same value as | > > | > > 'wdRowHeightAtLeast but makes invisible some of the table's text. | > > NoOfRows = .Rows.Count | > > For x = 1 To NoOfRows | > > hgt = hgt + .Rows(x).Height | > > Next x | > > Debug.Print "Table hgt = " + CStr(PointsToCentimeters(hgt)) | + " | > > Number of Rows = " + CStr(x - 1) | > > End With | > > 'more code | > > | > > The table can have a variable number of rows, and what I am trying to | > > acheive is to advise a user if what they are trying to print is not | going to | > > fit on a single page. The page size is not standard. There is another | table | > > on the page but its size is fixed. | > > | > > Is there a way of determining the height of a table as it will appear | > > printed. | > > Many thanks, | > > Brett Thompson | |
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Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:02:11 GMT |
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Mark Tangar #6 / 19
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 Measuring height of table
Oh, sorry, it's not a property, it's a parameter of the Information property: [range].Information(wdVerticalPositionRelativeToPage) Mark Quote:
> What is the grammar for wdVerticalPositionRelativeToPage property of a > row? > I am using Word97 and searching for it in help brings up a blank. Was it > introduced later? > Thanks, > Brett
> > Brett, > > This seems almost too slimy, but: Howbout copying the table to a new > > document (with the same page size, margins and header/footer specs > > and also containing a dummy table of the same height as the fixed > > table), checking the page length of the new doc to see if it's more > > than 1, then closing that doc without saving and advising the user > > based on the results. > > Another odd but probably effective way I can see would be to take the > > wdVerticalPositionRelativeToPage property of each row, subtract each > > row's position from that of the next row, and add up all the differences. > > You'd have to temporarily set the page height to a custom (and enormous) > > size to avoid having to compare the vertical positions of pairs or rows > > that spanned a page break if the table ran over a page, then set it back > > when done. And this presumes your table would never run over the maximum > > allowable custom page height, which in Word 97 is 22 inches, oops, I mean > > 55.88 cm. > > Or, if the table is never going to be more than *two* pages, you could > > loop through each row checking its wdVerticalPositionRelativeToPage > > property and just exit the loop with a messagebox if, for any row, that > > property is less than that of the prior row.
> > -- See the MVP FAQ at http://www.mvps.org/word -------------------------- > > ----------------- "Life is nothing if you're not obsessed." --John Waters > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Reply to group ONLY. Do not attach files. MVPs do not work for Microsoft.
> > > Hello to all. > > > I am trying to measure the height of a table as it will print. > Everything I > > > try returns the value as of the minimum height of each row, so that no > > > matter how many lines of text is found within a cell (and therefore how > much > > > space will be taken up on the printed page) the same minimum height is > > > returned. The code I'm using is as follows: > > > Dim MedList As Table, hgt As Single, NoOfRows As Integer, x As Integer > > > 'the table has previously been bookmarked. > > > If ActiveDocument.Bookmarks.Exists("MedicationList") = True Then > > > ActiveDocument.GoTo What:=wdGoToBookmark, Name:="MedicationList" > > > Set MedList = Selection.Tables(1) > > > hgt = 0 > > > With MedList > > > .Rows.HeightRule = wdRowHeightAtLeast 'this has been > > > inserted as the default property for the table in question is > > > 'wdRowHeightAuto. If left at this the height returned is almost > infinite. > > > 'Using wdRowHeightExactly returns the same value as > > > 'wdRowHeightAtLeast but makes invisible some of the table's text. > > > NoOfRows = .Rows.Count > > > For x = 1 To NoOfRows > > > hgt = hgt + .Rows(x).Height > > > Next x > > > Debug.Print "Table hgt = " + CStr(PointsToCentimeters(hgt)) > + " > > > Number of Rows = " + CStr(x - 1) > > > End With > > > 'more code > > > The table can have a variable number of rows, and what I am trying to > > > acheive is to advise a user if what they are trying to print is not > going to > > > fit on a single page. The page size is not standard. There is another > table > > > on the page but its size is fixed. > > > Is there a way of determining the height of a table as it will appear > > > printed. > > > Many thanks, > > > Brett Thompson
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Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:36:10 GMT |
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Mark Tangar #7 / 19
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 Measuring height of table
You're saying the 2 sections have different *vertical* margins, so this will affect the white noise? Can you predict that the white noise will always be in a given section (i.e., the second)?
-- See the MVP FAQ at http://www.mvps.org/word -------------------------- ----------------- "Life is nothing if you're not obsessed." --John Waters ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Reply to group ONLY. Do not attach files. MVPs do not work for Microsoft. Quote:
> Many thanks Mark for your input. I'll give your workarounds a run and see > what comes out. > Seems such a simple thing, the height of a table, and it comes out complex. > Now I understand that what I was trying to do is not directly possible I'll > look more laterally. Strange that the actual height of a table cannot be > measured! > I had been leaving a space for a signature underneath the table in the body > of the document, but I could make this part of the footer, and as you > suggest, any row that would extend beyond the first page would show up > directly on the second. > What is being printed is a medical prescription, and other than the space > for the signature, any additional space is supposed to be filled with "white > noise". This had been part of the template I had used, pushed off the > bottom of the page by the growing table and only the first page printed, but > it could be added at time of printing with code, which would also make > things easier - just count how many pages in the document before adding the > "white noise"! The only complicating factor is that the document has two > sections with different margins - not sure how this will mess with the page > counting.
> > Brett, > > This seems almost too slimy, but: Howbout copying the table to a new > > document (with the same page size, margins and header/footer specs > > and also containing a dummy table of the same height as the fixed > > table), checking the page length of the new doc to see if it's more > > than 1, then closing that doc without saving and advising the user > > based on the results. > > Another odd but probably effective way I can see would be to take the > > wdVerticalPositionRelativeToPage property of each row, subtract each > > row's position from that of the next row, and add up all the differences. > > You'd have to temporarily set the page height to a custom (and enormous) > > size to avoid having to compare the vertical positions of pairs or rows > > that spanned a page break if the table ran over a page, then set it back > > when done. And this presumes your table would never run over the maximum > > allowable custom page height, which in Word 97 is 22 inches, oops, I mean > > 55.88 cm. > > Or, if the table is never going to be more than *two* pages, you could > > loop through each row checking its wdVerticalPositionRelativeToPage > > property and just exit the loop with a messagebox if, for any row, that > > property is less than that of the prior row.
> > -- See the MVP FAQ at http://www.mvps.org/word -------------------------- > > ----------------- "Life is nothing if you're not obsessed." --John Waters > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Reply to group ONLY. Do not attach files. MVPs do not work for Microsoft.
> > > Hello to all. > > > I am trying to measure the height of a table as it will print. > Everything I > > > try returns the value as of the minimum height of each row, so that no > > > matter how many lines of text is found within a cell (and therefore how > much > > > space will be taken up on the printed page) the same minimum height is > > > returned. The code I'm using is as follows: > > > Dim MedList As Table, hgt As Single, NoOfRows As Integer, x As Integer > > > 'the table has previously been bookmarked. > > > If ActiveDocument.Bookmarks.Exists("MedicationList") = True Then > > > ActiveDocument.GoTo What:=wdGoToBookmark, Name:="MedicationList" > > > Set MedList = Selection.Tables(1) > > > hgt = 0 > > > With MedList > > > .Rows.HeightRule = wdRowHeightAtLeast 'this has been > > > inserted as the default property for the table in question is > > > 'wdRowHeightAuto. If left at this the height returned is almost > infinite. > > > 'Using wdRowHeightExactly returns the same value as > > > 'wdRowHeightAtLeast but makes invisible some of the table's text. > > > NoOfRows = .Rows.Count > > > For x = 1 To NoOfRows > > > hgt = hgt + .Rows(x).Height > > > Next x > > > Debug.Print "Table hgt = " + CStr(PointsToCentimeters(hgt)) > + " > > > Number of Rows = " + CStr(x - 1) > > > End With > > > 'more code > > > The table can have a variable number of rows, and what I am trying to > > > acheive is to advise a user if what they are trying to print is not > going to > > > fit on a single page. The page size is not standard. There is another > table > > > on the page but its size is fixed. > > > Is there a way of determining the height of a table as it will appear > > > printed. > > > Many thanks, > > > Brett Thompson
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Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:38:27 GMT |
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Dave Rad #8 / 19
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Hi Brett - I'm confused - I'm obviously missing something: | The table can have a variable number of rows, and what I am trying to | acheive is to advise a user if what they are trying to print is not going to | fit on a single page. If what they are rying to print is the document then surely you simply check for the number of pages? Regards Dave|
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Thu, 29 Jul 2004 17:08:59 GMT |
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Brett Thompso #9 / 19
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 Measuring height of table
Dear Dave, Sorry for the confusion and many thanks for your interest. I neglected to add that I had a variety of other information after the table that also had to be included in the page, including a section of "white noise" text to fill any blank space, as well as a space for a signature. I had been achieving this by having a quantity of this "white noise" text that was pushed down (and onto the next page) by the table in question, and then printing only the first page. I have solved the problem basically how you suggested - the space for the signature has been moved to the footer, and the "white noise" is added by VBA until the first page is filled. And as you suggested I just count the number of pages before adding the extras. Simple. I still think it is strange that it is not possible to measure the height of a table as it would print. Regards, Brett
Quote: > Hi Brett - I'm confused - I'm obviously missing something: > | The table can have a variable number of rows, and what I am trying to > | acheive is to advise a user if what they are trying to print is not going > to > | fit on a single page. > If what they are rying to print is the document then surely you simply check > for the number of pages? > Regards > Dave|
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Sat, 31 Jul 2004 18:58:11 GMT |
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Dave Rad #10 / 19
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| I still think it is strange that it is not possible to measure the height of | a table as it would print. It's so dynamic - it's not a property of the table, (unless all rows are set to fixed heights) - it's determined by the text within it at any given time. Word, basically isn't a page layout program, and it treats tables, pages, and other elements that page layout programs might treat as static objects, as being nothing more than text containers - think of the table (or page) as a river bank and river bottom; and the text as the water rushing by. Regards Dave
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Sun, 01 Aug 2004 17:51:45 GMT |
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Brett Thompso #11 / 19
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 Measuring height of table
Dear Dave, Thanks for your description. I understand your analogy, but can't agree 100%. A table can have varying amounts of text in each cell (and that is the problem in measuring its height) as well as varying numbers of rows. But at any point in time you can take a "snapshot" of the table, as you can take a photo of a river, that then becomes "fixed", and therefore one would think, potentially measurable. As I mentioned, I have found a work around, which deals with the whole thing more efficiently at the same time, so it is not a problem any longer. Programs are man made artefacts, and I guess the fact is that the person who was involved in writing this part of Word did not think that what I tried to do was useful. He is probably right, as otherways of approaching the same problem have led to better document structure and code. Once again, many thanks for your interest and input. Brett.
Quote: > | I still think it is strange that it is not possible to measure the height > of > | a table as it would print. > It's so dynamic - it's not a property of the table, (unless all rows are set > to fixed heights) - it's determined by the text within it at any given time. > Word, basically isn't a page layout program, and it treats tables, pages, > and other elements that page layout programs might treat as static objects, > as being nothing more than text containers - think of the table (or page) as > a river bank and river bottom; and the text as the water rushing by. > Regards > Dave
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